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    Quote Originally Posted by drivesafe View Post
    Well the Greens and Labour party should be very pleased with themselves.


    During an Energy statement made today, it was announced that it is highly unlikely that Victoria will be able to supply enough electricity during the peak summer demand times to be able to power household air conditioners and maintain industrial requirements.


    They are saying there is every likelyhood of ongoing Brownouts. Blackouts by another name.


    So much for renewable power supplies!

    Luckily there are not thousands of Ev's that also need charging

    Carrying from what Ian said,brown outs cause havoc with three phase gear,as well,unless it is well protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed View Post
    Yup sharing is always better than not sharing.

    As the most progressive and currently most prosperous state (Australia Talks last night) I wouldn’t be surprised if VIC might even take a leaf out of SAs book and give Elon a call.
    You know the battery only provides balancing right?

    As a back up device it will last approximately 18 minutes.

    Adelaide has several companies that are now paid cash to shut down on hot days - so the grid doesn’t fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post

    Adelaide has several companies that are now paid cash to shut down on hot days - so the grid doesn’t fail.
    Really?

    Thats amazing,sounds ridiculous.

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    Same in Victoria. Load shedding by industrial users programmed before hot days, so domestic customers less likely to loose power.
    Unless you have some form of excess capacity that can be brought on line quickly like a gas turbine that’s the way it is.
    Days of spare capacity in the grid are gone.
    You can watch the spot price climb on the Nemco website on hot days, goes out to 100 cents or more, we don’t pay this but the retailers loose out, generators win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clive22 View Post
    Days of spare capacity in the grid are gone.
    Living the dream.

    Thankfully we are far enough away to avoid that cluster**** "National Grid", although with the AEMO moving West it's only a matter of time until our power grid regresses to that of a third world too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    Luckily there are not thousands of Ev's that also need charging

    Carrying from what Ian said,brown outs cause havoc with three phase gear,as well,unless it is well protected.
    Might be claimable on an insurance policy, sometimes cryptically under a "fusion" category.
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    Just goes to show how ridiculous our energy consumption expectations are and how unsustainable we’ve made the system as a result of our greed, poor design and vanity.
    Classic first world ‘problems’. ...We need to get over ourselves.

    The smart money is on seeing it as a welcome challenge to do things differently IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed View Post
    Just goes to show how ridiculous our energy consumption expectations are and how unsustainable we’ve made the system as a result of our greed, poor design and vanity.
    Classic first world ‘problems’. ...We need to get over ourselves.

    The smart money is on seeing it as a welcome challenge to do things differently IMO.
    have our exceptions changed in the last 20 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    Really?

    Thats amazing,sounds ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous.

    Working in Whyalla we also monitor the spot prices on our energy needs (biggest consumer in the state). Should the prices climb above a certain price point we shut down production in the Steel Mill, Pelletising plant etc as cost for energy then exceeds the price of ceasing production.

    Hence the forthcoming energy projects to make our site self sufficient.

    I even have Diesel Generators on standby at my C&S plants as it’s often cheaper to burn diesel than pull from the grid on these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    have our exceptions changed in the last 20 years?
    I think the biggest factor is the expectation of exponential growth. The economy is telling us to moderate our expectations on that right now. So is the environment.

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