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I don't have to mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
It is an undeniable FACT that the world's population has increased yet there is Still the same amount of water on the planet.
What part of more people using the Same amount of water resourses available don't you understand??
Climate change is a fact. Because of climate change the water available from normal sources is less than before, artesian wells are not being replenished, ground water is drying up. Yes, the population is growing, however, in a normal wet season that would not be a problem. there is not a normal wet season, because of? Climate change. we, with the help of some other denialist zealots, could talk in circles forever. I'd prefer to come to an agreement that something must be done about our climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
zealot
[ˈzɛlət]
NOUN
- a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals
That definition fits you well Bob...Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
You claimed Prove it - how about you disprove it?
All you want in ANY thread you post in is for everyone to come to an agreement that matches YOUR viewpoint. This has been demonstrated repeatedly in many threads.
What you seem to miss (as do many others) is that Climate Change isn’t being denied - it’s been happening since the planet gained an atmosphere. “Doomers” can’t seem to get that bit, nobody is denying change. “Doomers” ironically seem to lack the ability to remain sceptical and analytical of claims.
What you refer to as “must be” climate change in Indo can be seen to have occurred before, Indonesia has had many a “dry” wet season in its history - it now also has a huge population.
This is no different to South Oz - Same dams we had when I was a kid; 5 times the population drawing on them. Why was the last damn built - population expansion and lack of water!
Indonesia will solve it; Desal / RO plants are available.
Weekly tropical climate note. No monsoon in December.
Weekly Tropical Climate Note
Give it a break. Around and round in circles, with no compromise. BABS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Best read all of it, not just the bits you like (the doom and gloom)Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
Bottom line of the IOD paragraph...
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And you Yarp on like a 1st year Muppet!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
I don’t have to compromise my stance - I’m not wearing blinkers.
This was 10 years ago:
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Today, the headline report was “Its too late, we can’t stop it”.
Also today, at the Summit - some tosser suggested ceasing all Digging and Extraction activities globally.
Where does all the gear to sustain humans then come from? Those idiots are the scare mongers and alarmists. They have no real solutions.
An interesting one I saw today - if the world won’t take action the UN and IPCC - suggested military enforcement of global climate policy.
Go look that gear up...
Now, in 1970, the world population was approx. 3.686 billion. With the human body, lets say on average 75 kg, containing approx. 40 litres of water, then that , on quick calculation, works out at around one hundred and forty seven billion, four hundred and forty million litres of water stored by humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
The current population is approx. 7.7 billion i.e. more than double 1970 so, doubling the 1970 amount above, something has to give on a static supply, surely?
Elders has a bit to say too....
ENSO status: Neutral IOD status: Positive Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) across the equatorial central Pacific warmed up slightly over the past few weeks. As a reflection, the Nino3.4 index lingered between 0.5 and 0.7 throughout the month of October. The Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) recorded a value of -5.6 during the past month. The current outlook consensus suggests warmer than average SSTs will persist across the equatorial Pacific Ocean through the coming months, but remaining within neutral values. Five out of eight international models maintain a warmer than average Pacific Ocean through the end of 2019 and first quarter of 2020, however, none of these reaching El Nino thresholds. The IRI ENSO forecast continues to suggest less than 40% of another El Nino developing over the next 12 months, with a neutral ENSO the most likely outcome. To the west of Australia, the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) remains strongly positive, with the highest positive value since the early 2000s. All six international models maintain a strong positive event until December. In terms of rainfall, there is little variation to the outlook issued last month. The climate outlook for October continues to favour below average rainfall for most of Australia, in particular the eastern half of the continent. During Positive IODs, central and southeastern Australia tend to see a reduction in rainfall during spring, due to a reduction of moisture streaming from the northwest.
For northern Australia, the current outlook is for a late onset of the wet season across the Northern Territory and Queensland. Thus far, Darwin and South Eastern Qld have seen the onset of the wet season this year though a week later than usual.
Further south, a negative trend in the Southern Annular Mode (SAM) will continue to enhance frontal activity over the far south during October and early. This is likely to offset the Positive IOD in far southern Victoria and western Tasmania, which could see average-to-above average rainfall during October and early December. Looking further ahead, with no significant signature from ENSO, there are no significant climate drivers tilting the balance towards a drier or wetter summer. The current outlook suggest neutral odds.
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It's not about ruining our economy closing down coal power, it's modernising it!Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipA
Why would you spend >$6 billion on a single station that uses prehistoric tech, when more efficient alternatives exist, and for sure will also become better in the future?
China, in a sense is different, as they need to met short term demands via plans made a while ago .. we don't.
Same with India, they expect demand to rise too quickly to be able to cover their needs, and their coal fired generators were planned in the past.
Add in lots of lobbying by those that made these plans, and the inherent cycle of corruption and nepotism .. what's happened has happened over there.
I started a new job recently, which involves a lot of tourism. It's made me realise just how lucky we are, seeing so many Asian tourists that wear face mask(the white filter types) here in Aus.
We have some of the cleanest air in the world, yet they're so used to wearing them .. it's just what they do!
Some do some don't .. it's a habitual thing.
Just imagine how bad the smoggy nature of their home towns must be that they wear them out of habit!
Also on the coal fired generation thing. I can never understand why folks stridently cling to old tech that we know involves excessive cost from start up, to lifetime, and then finally closure.
Coal has had it's day .. let it die peacefully.
It's current parallel is the Defender thread, where the 'old timers' want to cling on to the notion that the new Defender isn't a Defender. Can never understand why they just can't let it go.
Old style Defer will never happen again in LR's current lifetime .. for them going forward means modernity.
It's stupid to hold onto a traditional way just because you seem to think it's best, when almost all facts point to the opposite.
Hence why all the recent talk of renewed interest in nuclear again all over the world .. even from most respected scientists .. it's the most efficient in so many ways.
But for the silly greenies, the so called green solutions, of wind, sun and storage is the supposed key to the future! [bighmmm]