Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

DiscoMick · 5th February 2020, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Entertaining survey.

Whilst indicative of the 54,000 people who participated the bias will exist that these people are leaning towards ABC topical issues.

If this was done as a referendum of the entire country - that would be interesting to read.

I did find it interesting the divide between “we need to learn to adapt” and the more youthful approach of “introduce technologies to change it”.

One of the changes that I think can bring about some notable change - remove convenience! Throw away society, throw away gadgets, single use items etc are intensive and heavy.

All consumer goods should be required to be serviceable (increase lifespan), should be able to be fully recycled (EOL) and cheap single use products should be removed.
But watch out for the impact on cost if that all happened!

Not necessarily unrepresentative.
Lots of the ABC audience are country people and relatively conservative.
Other surveys show 70-80% wanting action on climate change.
Denialism is definitely a minority view now.

**PhilipA** · 5th February 2020, 10:48 AM

Why not answer the proponents with the Oxford University answer to students demanding a carbon neautral University.
OK cannot do that straight away but we can turn off the gas heating in the accommodation in a temperature of -1C.
The water and drainage pipes would then freeze.
Perhaps people should be reminded what their responses mean and what they could do to facilitate it.
How about the responders turning off their air conditioning in summer for example.
The proponents should be prepared to undertake some privations, such as no mobile phones , no sneakers , no non natural clothing Yada yada yada.
Regards PhilipA

**Saitch** · 5th February 2020, 11:04 AM

in the article it is stated that there was a change of '5 percentage points'.
Is this the same as 5 per centum? If so, why use the term? If not, what does it mean?

**p38arover** · 5th February 2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Saitch

in the article it is stated that there was a change of '5 percentage points'.
Is this the same as 5 per centum? If so, why use the term? If not, what does it mean?

From Wikipedia:

A percentage point or percent point is the unit for the arithmetic difference of two percentages. For example, moving up from 40% to 44% is a 4 percentage point increase, but is a 10 percent increase in what is being measured. ... Percentage-point differences are one way to express a risk or probability.

DiscoMick · 5th February 2020, 11:55 AM

January 2020 was the hottest month on record globally.

CO2 is now at its highest concentration in 800,000 years.

January 2020 was the hottest month on record globally | SBS News

**101RRS** · 5th February 2020, 11:56 AM

No it wasn't.

I have moved to the denialist camp - saying it wasn't is all the evidence that is needed to support my point

DiscoMick · 5th February 2020, 12:01 PM

You mean like that bloke on Q and A who said his opinions were not based on evidence?
I wondered what his opinions were based on - rubbing two sticks together, sniffing the air, tossing a coin or examining the entrails of ducks?

**Saitch** · 5th February 2020, 12:30 PM

I hope that temperature trend continues for a while as I'm off to Russia and Scandinavian areas in a couple of months.

**Tombie** · 5th February 2020, 12:37 PM

All I wish this topic had was consistency of data.
It is very, very easy to compare consistent data sets.

We don’t have these anymore.

More monitoring stations for example is a good thing for data, however using it alongside earlier records with smaller data sets skews results if not filtered.

Even something as simple as moving a monitoring station (AWS) from one location to another nearby can significantly altered that regions data capture.

There needs to be consistency, then the data speaks conclusively and absolutely for itself.

What will always cause the information to be misinterpreted is this sort of information (Weather rather than climate):

Last month was similar with lower average “Highs” and Lower average “Lows” recorded.

Regardless, humans being what they are will all **** and moan about it all and nothing will change. I certainly don’t lose any sleep over this topic.

**Tombie** · 5th February 2020, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Not necessarily unrepresentative.
Lots of the ABC audience are country people and relatively conservative.
Other surveys show 70-80% wanting action on climate change.
Denialism is definitely a minority view now.

What should be done is a survey that doesn’t isolate one issue.

One that encompasses the holistic challenges.

Do you believe action needs to be made on climate change?
What are you willing to change/give up etc to achieve change?
Would you accept a higher cost of living to bring about this change?
What increase would you consider acceptable?
Would you give up travel/tourism to assist?
Do you purchase single use goods?
Would you buy significantly more expensive products if they could be fully recycled / serviced / repaired?

Prime example on any vehicle forum (inc this one).
People buying a new vehicle because the current one was “getting on a bit” or “needed a bit of cash spent” or better still “just wanted a new one”.

Car manufacturers couldn’t continue without human consumerism. Parts manufacturers could operate successfully for decades keeping current and easier models stocked with parts and service items.

Business models and Capitalism and human nature are the biggest problems.

Perhaps the Rivet counters are doing more for the environment than later vehicle owners

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