Energy security, and our National fuel reserve

Hi all

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Its a good one Bob. And best of all every one seem to be onboard for once. Its on this topic which is not political
Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market

Hydrogen fuel breakthrough in Queensland could fire up massive new export market - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Fixes the fuel reserves issue possibly :)

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The idea is that we use renewable electricity to create the H₂, turn it into liquefied NH₄, export it, and they turn it back into H₂ for their cars.

However what I can only guess about is that given the quantity that would need to be used domestically and for export the H₂ will have to come from electrolysis of water using renewable electricity. That amount of water can't be from existing rivers or dams as we have already over allocated that resource in every state. Hence the plant will have to be on the coast and it will use sea water. That means it will need to be desalinated. So we have a desalination plant + the electrolysis plant + H₂ to NH₄ plant and truck or rail it to export terminals.

Our existing *small* desalination plants create high saline water that is discharged as a plume down stream and does cause adverse effects on the marine environment (ask a diver who has seen it). A big plant(s) for export will have far greater effects. We will have to keep the long term adverse effects to provide the H₂ for users cars in other countries.

I'd opt for no exports. Licence the technology but produce here for domestic use only to minimise local harm. Same as LNG, we should be using it only locally, and the price would not have gone up to be on parity with international prices.

Mike

"Same as LNG, we should be using it only locally," Try getting companies to invest billions on that basis and I doubt you'd get any interest. Despite what all our wonderful pollies would like us to think, they're not the ones who have to make a success of a business and you can't do that by flogging stuff just into Australia.
AlanH.

Yeah, Australia is too small a market. We need lots of exports to make industries viable. Then we use some if the profits to subsidise local prices. Just look at oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia.

Japan and several other major economic powers have already moved to get Hydrogen power moving. My bet is it is great for us all. Waste from any process needs careful planing.

given that EV are all the rage, do we even need a reserve?

Yeah we do 'cos I've just dumped the Discovery & bought a non EV Mazda 2 litre CX-3.
Already we have made big fuel savings so I reckon we should have done it long before.
Instead of a $100 refuel we have paid $40 & has a 5 year end to end Warranty instead of the lousy 1 year from Land Rover back in '95.
Can't say fairer than that. [bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by bob10

That is a Eureka moment. All I can say is WOW!, we are sitting on the edge of the future, potentially. Of course, only natural it came from a progressive State, like QLD. [wink11]

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go back to the days of Joh.....he championed hydrogen and when all the media etc slammed him he told them to get ****ed...well Joh was nice man he never really spoke like that.

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Originally Posted by ATH

"Same as LNG, we should be using it only locally," Try getting companies to invest billions on that basis and I doubt you'd get any interest. Despite what all our wonderful pollies would like us to think, they're not the ones who have to make a success of a business and you can't do that by flogging stuff just into Australia.
AlanH.

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The small scale of OUR usage should have made it easier( for our Pollies) to keep our usage amount in country at a set price..

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

go back to the days of Joh.....he championed hydrogen and when all the media etc slammed him he told them to get ****ed...well Joh was nice man he never really spoke like that.

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Joh was a nice Politician. edit.. changed one word with another, potentially with a similar meaning.

Do the risks of drilling for oil in the Bight outweigh the benefits? Even considering our fuel reserves?

Great Australian Bight: Equinor protests after environmental report release