Thread: Australians turn their backs on Holden

Originally Posted by rick130

But if products are being imported that are subsidised, dumped, etc how do our industries compete?
Conversely, how can they compete on the world stage when imports into certain countries are restricted through tariffs and quotas?

That's where subsidies, incentives, tax breaks, etc are needed and used.

SPOT ON, that's what it's all about.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Homestar

How much better was the VF over the VE? It would have had to be a quantum leap to make me want one. I had a VE for 4 years for work and it was the worst Commodore I’ve ever had. I’ve owned VB, VH, VK, VN, VR, VT and VE commodores and the VE was the most uncomfortable and the engine and gearbox could never figure out what the other was doing and at times was damn near dangerous when you went to drive off from a stop and nothing happened for a second every so often. Also had the most road noise - all over, a big step backwards from the VT IMO. Add to that a tilt tray trip a year for electrical issues, and when it left with just on 200,000KM on it, it was basically scrap metal. All my others did well over 200KKM and all were in far better condition. The VB, VN and VT were the best ones I had.

I currently have a VE HSV plated Calais with the 6.0 litre V8. It's a very comfortable car to drive with effortless power. Will do 10 litres per 100 cruising on the freeway and 14 in traffic.. or a bit more with spirited driving. It has plenty of room for 5 and a massive boot and will tow heavy loads easily.
The VF was a great car which I think was released at a bad time for Holden. It's a shame because for the price it was contender to the big European car makers. Especially the HSV ones. If I had the money I'd buy a VF HSV with the LSA motor . That is a great looking car with all the power you need.

Putting power to one side, the 6 cylinder versions while ok were no power houses, I found the seats uncomfortable and the interior noise level a lot higher than any other dunny door I’ve driven. Maybe the HSV version had different seats and more sound proofing.

Originally Posted by SPROVER

I currently have a VE HSV plated Calais with the 6.0 litre V8. It's a very comfortable car to drive with effortless power. Will do 10 litres per 100 cruising on the freeway and 14 in traffic.. or a bit more with spirited driving. It has plenty of room for 5 and a massive boot and will tow heavy loads easily.
The VF was a great car which I think was released at a bad time for Holden. It's a shame because for the price it was contender to the big European car makers. Especially the HSV ones. If I had the money I'd buy a VF HSV with the LSA motor . That is a great looking car with all the power you need.

Agree, the VF chassis was/is really good, the LSA engine is magnificent, plenty of easy smooth power when you need it, can't fault it, we have a GTSR.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Putting power to one side, the 6 cylinder versions while ok were no power houses, I found the seats uncomfortable and the interior noise level a lot higher than any other dunny door I’ve driven. Maybe the HSV version had different seats and more sound proofing.

I doubt there was any difference in the sound deadening, more a difference in the sound. The V8 playing tunes.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Putting power to one side, the 6 cylinder versions while ok were no power houses, I found the seats uncomfortable and the interior noise level a lot higher than any other dunny door I’ve driven. Maybe the HSV version had different seats and more sound proofing.

The RB30 fitted to the VL, was nothing compared to the same fitted in the Skyline.
Holden completely stuffed it up.

The RB30 in the car it was designed for, was a brilliant powerplant!

Originally Posted by 16PMark

The RB30 fitted to the VL, was nothing compared to the same fitted in the Skyline.
Holden completely stuffed it up.

The RB30 in the car it was designed for, was a brilliant powerplant!

What was different?

They, Holden, stuffed up the mounting/positioning of donk v radiator....

Originally Posted by Slunnie

What was different?