Grumpy old buggers thread

[4bee]

And apparently the standard MO (sorry) on a film shoot (sorry again) is that the weapon is deliberately not aimed at anyone, ever, when it's fired during filming.

Editing is done to achieve the 'realism'. Dunno what's gone wrong here.

DL

What's gone wrong DL is he ****ing killed her. Seems it is not an unusual occurence on set.

[NavyDiver]

And apparently the standard MO (sorry) on a film shoot (sorry again) is that the weapon is deliberately not aimed at anyone, ever, when it's fired during filming.

Editing is done to achieve the 'realism'. Dunno what's gone wrong here.

DL

If handed you a weapon you get instruction. Its Loaded with..... or its safe. If I took a weapon from you I'd ask you. Either way you or I would check the detail provided was true.

Mr Baldwin pulled the trigger. He also is director? I am not an expert on films. I suspect that Director bit means he is ultimate responsible to check people are safe and the also check the people he hires to make sure it is safe are trained and qualified?

All of the several clear mistakes ended up with a live round in the chamber pointed at a fired at and killing a person. In this case I think the responsible person is just one.

Very sad.

[austastar]

Hi,
Every gun is 'loaded'.
Only point it at what you want to kill.

What is difficult about that?

Cheers

[101RRS]

I cannot believe that they actually use real guns supposedly filled with blanks - but it is America - land of the free.

I would have thought that "prop" guns not be real and not actually able to fire real rounds - blanks are dangerous enough in close quarters let alone real bullets.

[V8Ian]

I cannot believe that they actually use real guns supposedly filled with blanks - but it is America - land of the free.

I would have thought that "prop" guns not be real and not actually able to fire real rounds - blanks are dangerous enough in close quarters let alone real bullets.

It amazes me too, there must be authentic, non-opperable replicas available and I'd have thought more easily obtainable (at least in this country). There was a stuntman killed in a remarkably similar manner, a few years ago, in Brisbane CBD.

[Tombie]

Hi,
Every gun is 'loaded'.
Only point it at what you want to kill.

What is difficult about that?

Cheers

Correction- Shoot, not kill.

Not all firearms are used to maim or kill.
Some only hunt Paper or Bisalloy!

As for the discussion at hand, there’s still insufficient info at hand.
It could have been a blank, it could have been a ricochet- may not have been aimed at all.
It could have been deliberately loaded with a live round by malicious intent.

Regardless - a horrible state of affairs and I feel for everyone.


As for all the hubbub because it was a firearm - let’s keep it in perspective - if it wasn’t deliberate, then how is it any different to someone killing a person with their car? People kill others by ‘accident’ in MVs all the time, and not locked up. We don’t seem to be so “up in arms” about that….

I trust those at the Range I go to far more than I trust the motorists I shared the roads with to get there and back!

[4bee]

I cannot believe that they actually use real guns supposedly filled with blanks - but it is America - land of the free.

I would have thought that "prop" guns not be real and not actually able to fire real rounds - blanks are dangerous enough in close quarters let alone real bullets.

Amazing innit? I read recently where the "debris" from a discharged Blank can kill as DL said,so it isn't just smoke that exits the barrel.

No idea with Pistols I only ever fired blanks with the SLR which had the Blank Firing Attachment fitted & that was only to have the self cocking action & on the Range I can't recall standing in front of a barrel to see what **** actually came out. Well you wouldn't would you?

[4bee]

Correction- Shoot, not kill.

Not all firearms are used to maim or kill.
Some only hunt Paper or Bisalloy!

As for the discussion at hand, there’s still insufficient info at hand.
It could have been a blank, it could have been a ricochet- may not have been aimed at all.
It could have been deliberately loaded with a live round by malicious intent.

Regardless - a horrible state of affairs and I feel for everyone.


As for all the hubbub because it was a firearm - let’s keep it in perspective - if it wasn’t deliberate, then how is it any different to someone killing a person with their car? People kill others by ‘accident’ in MVs all the time, and not locked up. We don’t seem to be so “up in arms” about that….

I trust those at the Range I go to far more than I trust the motorists I shared the roads with to get there and back!

It sure sounds a bit dodgy.

Crew on Baldwin film raised prop gun concerns before fatal shooting | Alec Baldwin | The Guardian

[Tombie]

Amazing innit? I read recently where the "debris" from a discharged Blank can kill as DL said,so it isn't just smoke that exits the barrel.

No idea with Pistols I only ever fired blanks with the SLR which had the Blank Firing Attachment fitted & that was only to have the self cocking action & on the Range I can't recall standing in front of a barrel to see what **** actually came out. Well you wouldn't would you?

Debris from a blank is essentially harmless.
However, the pressure released from the barrel is another case entirely.
One actor died when he placed a revolver to his skull and fired - the force dislodged a piece of his skull killing him.

A situation can arise where a prop round (a complete cartridge and projectile with no powder or primer) is used in the filming. This round is used for realism as it’s filmed being loaded into the firearm.
The scene is cut, the dummy rounds removed and blanks installed.
Here’s where the risk lay… if the projectile or any other item, remains in the barrel and it isn’t cleared - (at the range we visually inspect through the barrel after removing the bolt) - and a blank loaded - there is enough energy in the blank to propel the obstruction out of the muzzle.

Brandon Lee was a victim of this type of incident.

[ramblingboy42]

Amazing innit? I read recently where the "debris" from a discharged Blank can kill as DL said,so it isn't just smoke that exits the barrel.

No idea with Pistols I only ever fired blanks with the SLR which had the Blank Firing Attachment fitted & that was only to have the self cocking action & on the Range I can't recall standing in front of a barrel to see what **** actually came out. Well you wouldn't would you?

not much 4bee, the apature in the bfa on an SLR is only about 1mm.....

however after firing a few rounds on exercise everything got pretty dirty and needed twice as much of your namesake to clean it....

After only 6mths as a grunt I never fired the blanks at all....I would cut them open , empty the powder from them and put them into a "sandbag" as rubbish for collection.

We would be given so many plastic rounds at the start of an exercise it was embarrasing to know what to do with them.....I know that many thousands of blanks are buried in most exercise areas.

I was in Regimental Police for a while and post exercise the units would dump all left over ammunition at the guardroom for yours truly a or another RP to sort and distribute somewhere.