Thread: Road toll rises

So it will be many more years until they filter down into the second hand market,and then IC may still be the better option,due to the life and costs of batteries,etc.

MAAAATE, you can buy a Nissan Leaf grey import right now for 13K. You have not been looking on your Carsales.

Of course they only do 80K now, but that should not be a problem to you techies. Just open up the battery and replace the dud ones. PS. use rubber gloves.

AND I expect no demand that Bob10 and Discomick go out and buy one to support their claims to climate change purity.

Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by PhilipA

MAAAATE, you can buy a Nissan Leaf grey import right now for 13K. You have not been looking on your Carsales.

Of course they only do 80K now, but that should not be a problem to you techies. Just open up the battery and replace the dud ones. PS. use rubber gloves.

AND I expect no demand that Bob10 and Discomick go out and buy one to support their claims to climate change purity.

Regards PhilipA

It should go about 23KM i recon before the battery goes flat loaded with the tools and other gear i need for work.....

Yes it could be slightly over GVM

The work van did almost 300K today,no wasting time waiting for it to charge,or even a fuel stop.

So the leaf is worth $13K today,i suppose new it was around maybe $60K at least?

They do hold their value well

I suppose thats cos everyone wants one

Originally Posted by scarry

It should go about 23KM i recon before the battery goes flat loaded with the tools and other gear i need for work.....

Yes it could be slightly over GVM

The work van did almost 300K today,no wasting time waiting for it to charge,or even a fuel stop.

So the leaf is worth $13K today,i suppose new it was around maybe $60K at least?

They do hold their value well

I suppose thats cos everyone wants one

Well it may not for you.
But i would imagine that 80% + of cars do not go out of town so would suit them fine.
its a silly as saying, "It cant cross the simpson , so it must be crap"
I just cant afford one, but would be happy to replace non landrover with a EC, even with a 150km commute done evey 5 days.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Not down here. Plenty of HWP / Chasers and a very proactive D&A testing campaign.

Indeed. My experience is opposite to BBs. Rural Vic, rural NSW, rural southern Qld, rural SA. You will not get away with it for long, unless you are SO rural it's only you that's there.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

If you want to increase your chances of dying on our roads, drive long distances in the bush, particularly the NT.

REAL evidence, please.

The Hyundai Kona EV can do 450 Ks on a charge, and be recharged in 8 hours or to 80% a lot faster and costs $60-70k.
I would buy one if I was still working.
Plug it into the house, charge it for free off the solar, leave it plugged in and it could easily run the house overnight. The car can power the house - how good is that!

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

In 20 years the ICE vehicles will be dying out and the market will be dominated by EVs.

C'mon, Mick. We all know that your pet hobby horse is EVs, but you always fail to back your rhetoric. Heck, you don't even own one, going by your sig. Could it be that in 20 years time the world will have worked out that AGW is a scam, EVs steal from the poor, Elon Musk was a snake oil salesman and Obama was a fool who bought snake oil?

The ONLY way EVs will become real world viable is if the luvvies grow up and embrace nuclear power. Teslas make sense in California, and pretty much nowhere else. Have you seen the living conditions of the poor in California? No? Neither have the Tesla drivers. it's THIRD WORLD, only worse, because the Third World are prepared for it and Californians are not.

I put that in to show that policies have consequences, and EVs are Californian policy.

Here's a vid. I don't really like this guy, nor do I dislike him, but he makes some good points.... Enjoy.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The Hyundai Kona EV can do 450 Ks on a charge, and be recharged in 8 hours or to 80% a lot faster and costs $60-70k.
I would buy one if I was still working.
Plug it into the house, charge it for free off the solar, leave it plugged in and it could easily run the house overnight. The car can power the house - how good is that!

Not good at all, quite a poor scenario actually....

Flatten the battery keeping your fridge running.
Get up in the morning and flat battery to go to work (or to escape whatever has caused the power to fail)
Unplug from your “free” solar and attempt to head to work. You may make it if there’s enough left, otherwise other transport for you.
Assuming it does make it there and back you can come home 8-9 hours later to insufficient sunlight to recharge and draw from grid to charge back up. Or if the overnight flattening saw the thing left on charge all day you may be ok tomorrow.

Anyone that buys the EV version of the equivalent standard vehicle with the current premium price point is being fiscally foolish.

The current model you’re working with above is flawed.


No point just reading Guardian articles - you need to fully understand the holistic view and requirements. In isolation some proposals seem valid - they unravel quickly in execution, and that’s why many suggestions haven’t been taken up.