Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The % vaccinated to achieve herd immunity seems to vary quite a bit depending on the effectiveness of the vaccine. The more effective the vaccine the lower the % vaccinated has to be. Herd immunity seems to be in a range of about 60-90% depending on effectiveness of the vaccine.

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Herd immunity is irrelevant with this virus and our current vaccinations - the reason being is that current vaccines do not prevent a vaccinated person from getting the virus and passing it on - so herd immunity can never be achieved. The vaccines just stop a person from getting ill or minimizes symptoms but does prevent passing it on - so with current vaccines, even with 100% of the population vaccinated, the virus can happily circulate in the community with few people getting very sick. Current vaccinations do not IMMUNIZE they only vaccinate.

Once vaccinations immunize, that is make the population immune from COVID then yes herd immunity is relevant.

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Originally Posted by bob10

This ones for you , Des.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Herd immunity is irrelevant with this virus and our current vaccinations - the reason being is that current vaccines do not prevent a vaccinated person from getting the virus and passing it on - so herd immunity can never be achieved. The vaccines just stop a person from getting ill or minimizes symptoms but does prevent passing it on - so with current vaccines, even with 100% of the population vaccinated, the virus can happily circulate in the community with few people getting very sick. Current vaccinations do not IMMUNIZE they only vaccinate.

Once vaccinations immunize, that is make the population immune from COVID then yes herd immunity is relevant.

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It seems the vaccines do reduce the rate of transmission:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ed-people.html

RACGP - Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission.

Yes reduced transmission but does not stop transmission.

almost as if the vaccine is a waste of time and money.

I suppose the other point is we're not vaccinating children, so that's a quarter of the population unprotected, and children can certainly catch it.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

and children can certainly catch it.

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and certainly spread it.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

almost as if the vaccine is a waste of time and money.

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If it stops you dying is it a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

If it stops you dying is it a waste of time.

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yes. we're altering evolution, survival of the fittest becomes survival of the wealthiest. thats not something we should be embracing.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

and certainly spread it.

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One case I know of the 5yo brought it home from kindergarten, 30yo father was infected and is still not right. That was during the first wave in Vic.

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