Corona Virus

Herd immunity is something that may not happen world wide, as it has only happened once on a global scale, with the eradication of smallpox in 1980. This was only after a decade long world wide vaccination campaign. As for vaccinations not influencing herd immunity, especially against Covid, if we could vaccinate everyone, yes, the consensus is that some can still get Covid. But they don't die from it. And if they get it and get over it, they build up immunity. Eventually the virus can't find a suitable host, but it may take years. And requires the whole world to be vaccinated. The answer may be protect the population with our present vaccines, but develop a vaccine that prevents infection. I don't even know if that is possible.

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Originally Posted by 4bee

Thanks bob. I think.[bighmmm] FYI I used to know a white haired elderly lady & no she didn't play guitar or even Spoons but she was the Kindest & most friendliest old girl you could wish to meet.

No not my Mum, a friend's Mum. Gone now to the big kitchen in the sky. Thanks Annie for the good Times, advice & the loan of your daughter.

SERIOUS POST. [bawl]

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As is the case in most of these things, we don't really appreciate them fully until they are gone. Or, we are too busy to appreciate them until it is too late. Everyone should take the time to slow down, have a look around and see just what treasures we have close to us. Tell some one you love them today. It's easy to make the mistake of taking people for granted, and leaving it too late. Been there, done that.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

Why on earth would you be a fiery if you have such scant regard for human life?

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It looks like a complete townhouse complex of 100 units has been closed down because of Covid in Vic. EDIT And supply issues hit the Pfizer rollout.

Melbourne townhouse locked down after coronavirus outbreak (thenewdaily.com.au)

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Originally Posted by Vern

So what you are saying, is stop ALL medications, and just let people die?

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no, its only vaccinations that annoy me.
i dont feel like medications are playing God, but vaccinations are.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

Why on earth would you be a fiery if you have such scant regard for human life?

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thats a a good point. never thought about it like that.
let me think it over

my initial response is that we actually dont intervene in many people lives. we're too late to make a difference or there is nothing to intervene in.
and my second answer is that it makes me feel good.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

no, its only vaccinations that annoy me.
i dont feel like medications are playing God, but vaccinations are.

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You obviously did not grow up when I did - with kids at school wearing leg braces and pictures of them in iron lungs a regular news picture. These were only the visible face of an Australia without vaccinations, as most of the deaths from vaccine preventable diseases were young children. And going back further, smallpox ceased to be an issue in Australia early in the twentieth century, if not earlier. And while it prevented few deaths, rubella vaccination prevented hundreds of thousands of children growing up blind and deaf.

A main reason that the child mortality rate in Australia dropped by a factor of ten since 1950 is the widespread, near universal, adoption of vaccination. If you feel that vaccination is "playing God", but other medication is not, you either want to return to an Australia where parents were terrified of polio in particular, but also of diseases that you have forgotten about such as scarlet fever, measles, whooping cough, mumps, TB, tetanus, etc, and every school had a few chilkdren crippled by polio, and there were special schools for the large numbers of deaf and blind children, or you are very poorly informed.

There is a good reason why nearly everyone who is antivax is under sixty - they are too young to remember what it was like before widespread vaccination. The ones over sixty either have poor memories or are particularly sadistic.

For a graphic representation of the positive effects of vaccination a wander around any cemetery that has been there since the 1880s is a very good education. So many babies and children never made it to 10 years old.

Regards,
Tote

I had my second dose on Friday and while the sore arm the next day was the same as the first round, it really left me feeling drained/exausted. Sat in front of the TV and was in bed by 7:30PM, slept a solid 12 hours and felt fine otherwise.

First shot today. Hopefully I'll fare better than my wife did!