Corona Virus

What a lot of people fail to realise, or at any rate accept, is that even if everything is oped up tomorrow, the economy is not going to immediately recover back to where it was two months ago. Even if a vocal minority insist on heading straight back to business as usual, they are going to find that business is not 'as usual' - there are a lot of customers who are frightened to go into crowds, and will remain so until they see it is safe. My brother's sister in law wanted to celebrate the reopening of restaurants in Houston by inviting everyone to a family dinner in one. My niece is not letting her parents go!

As I pointed out (American) to my sister in law on the phone today - the world is as it is, not as we think it ought to be. And wishful thinking won't make it that way. Her feeling is "things can't go on like this". But they can, and just because you think that won't bring it back to where it was a couple of months ago.

Whether Trump is reelected will depend on how many of his supporters can maintain their wishful thinking to distort the view of reality until November. My guess is that it will be a close call.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

And, has been pointed out before, that’s off a totally different number of infections and lethality. COVID-19 is, in total, between 20 and 40 times more deadly than flu, so if those flu deaths were coronavirus it’d be about 40 times higher - so, 2,520,000 deaths. So, really, really not the same.

And the death rate for older people is up to 180 times higher than for influenza, so really, really not the flu.

But you’ve posted comments like that a few times, about suicide and other causes of death but what’s your point? That COVID-19 isn’t a threat? That it’s just a beat-up? Do you really believe that? When the clear, unequivocal evidence from China, the US, Italy, Spain, the UK and elsewhere is that it really is a major health issue?

And it really is perverse for critics to now point to the low number of deaths here - because of the steps that were taken to prevent another Italy or UK or US - and say that those steps were never really necessary. The clear, unequivocal evidence is that those steps were necessary and if we hadn’t taken them then, like the US, we’d be stacking bodies in the streets.

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Context of volume. Nothing more than the volume of stacked bodies.

“What could be” or “what may have” has no bearing on raw numbers.

Ever seen something described as “2 football fields”, 3 houses tall etc.

The comment by another above was “I cannot comprehend such a number”. In context I pointed out that similar numbers die for other reasons and nobody seems to bat an eyelid.

Once those were given. Hopefully the individual could get context of how many had passed.





On a different note - seems they now believe that many of ‘us’ may test positive for exposure to Covid-19. More than they originally thought - by a significant margin. I’m waiting to see more data on this claim.

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Originally Posted by ChookD2

I am so over that word. Unprecedented.

There is certainly precedent. The Black Plague (believed to have also started in East Asia), the Spanish Flu, the Hong Kong Flu estimated to have killed 100,000 in the US and 1 million globally. The only major difference I see is that we are more globally connected, (and I don't just mean the internet) hence the speed at which this has reached ..... everywhere. People fly (or they did) for pleasure and you can be on the otherside of the world in less than a day. There is also the speed at which everything is reported, during the Hong Kong Flu (1968) reporting was probably a number of days behind, everything was paper based, and probably in triplicate using carbon paper. Put a graph in a few places on the net today and 5 million have seen it and shared it in a few minutes.

It is getting like one of those words that, when you say it over and over, it just doesn't sound right anymore.

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I read that the Black Plague originated in fleas on rats from Mongolia carried to Europe on trading ships, but I'm not sure if that is correct.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Context of volume. Nothing more than the volume of stacked bodies.

“What could be” or “what may have” has no bearing on raw numbers.

The comment by another above was “I cannot comprehend such a number”. In context I pointed out that similar numbers die for other reasons and nobody seems to bat an eyelid.



On a different note - seems they now believe that many of ‘us’ may test positive for exposure to Covid-19. More than they originally thought - by a significant margin. I’m waiting to see more data on this claim.

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I assume that Covid - 19 will eventually become endemic and we will all get it, so we need that vaccine

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I read that the Black Plague originated in fleas on rats from Mongolia carried to Europe on trading ships, but I'm not sure if that is correct.

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Just as well the cruise ships can't tie up for the day in Mongolia anymore.

DL

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Whether Trump is reelected will depend on how many of his supporters can maintain their wishful thinking to distort the view of reality until November. My guess is that it will be a close call.

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and if he misses, how close to civil war will it push them....

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Whether Trump is reelected will depend on how many of his supporters can maintain their wishful thinking to distort the view of reality until November. My guess is that it will be a close call.

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I presume that he'll be re-elected, because it appears that the people who voted for him last time don't appear to be wavering in their support.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

I presume that he'll be re-elected, because it appears that the people who voted for him last time don't appear to be wavering in their support.

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As I said, I think it will be close. But still uncertain. And even if he is reelected, thanks to the electoral college system and the voter suppression in some places, there is getting to be a real possibility that the Senate as well as the house may have a Democratic majority. This would certainly cramp his style.

it all depends upon the other candidate,

remember, trusmp didnt win, hillary lost.

Not sure about lifting some of the restrictions , went to Woolies on Friday and the social dispensing was feral , people just carried on like before the virus was even known about . :soapbox::rulez: