Corona Virus

**JDNSW** · 19th June 2020, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by RHS58

I think she should be reconsidering having the op at all under the current circumstances. Defer and delay.

That was my thought, but I guess I am not the one with a crook knee, and I would also guess she has probably been putting it off for years already! (My sister in law had the same operation six months ago, after putting it off for years. (In my humble opinion both of them would have found their knees lasted longer with a bit less weight on them!)

**bob10** · 20th June 2020, 05:45 AM

A " New and dangerous phase " has been reached, with the most cases in a single day reported to the W.H.O.
150,000 cases in 24 hours, the largest spike to date, with nearly half coming from the Americas, and significant numbers from Asia and the Middle East. The W.H.O. says there is no definition of a second wave, with clusters not necessarily meaning a second wave, while second peaks were possible in one wave. Meanwhile China publishes the coronavirus genome data which suggests the Beijing outbreak is of European origin.

China publishes Beijing coronavirus genome data, officials suggest a European strain

WHO warns pandemic is "accelerating" with record spike in new infections

**bob10** · 20th June 2020, 06:00 AM

The CSIRO advocates testing of sewage as a cheap and easy way to pin down coronavirus outbreaks.Techniques have been refined so that the presence of COVID-19 carriers in the community can be identified, regardless of whether they show symptoms.

CSIRO testing method pores over sewage to flush out COVID-19 outbreaks CSIRO pores over sewage to flush out COVID-19

**bob10** · 20th June 2020, 06:04 AM

Super funds may end the financial year in the Black, despite COVID-19.

Superannuation turning positive despite Covid crash

**scarry** · 20th June 2020, 06:09 AM

As for an earlier post about cash disappearing,it appears international researchers,using Relative Light Unit,a sanitation monitoring system,found the average payment card had a germ score of 285,with 160 for cash notes,and 136 for coins.
A food safe bench should have a score of 10,which is considered safe and clean.

Average 'germ score' of payment cards rivals scores from surfaces of public toilets and public transport stations.

So looks like i will have to clean off my credit cards more often.

Apparently cash from ATM's,is clean,sanitised and safe.

Recent surveys also indicate 95% of people want to have the ability to use cash.

DiscoMick · 20th June 2020, 07:05 AM

The real death toll in the UK has been much higher than the Johnston Government admitted, with more than 1000 deaths every day for 22 consecutive days. The official toll only counted positive tested cases in hospital, and excluded cases in aged care and homes, and those not tested.

Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak

Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak | World news | The Guardian

DiscoMick · 20th June 2020, 08:10 AM

I see sewage tests have found traces in Milan and Turin in December and Bologna in January, well before the first confirmed Italian case in February, which confirms that the virus appeared in Italy at the same time as in China.
Tests in the USA have also shown it was the Italian version which broke out in New York and then spread across much of the USA, while the Chinese version appeared later in Washington. So Trump should be criticising the Italians, not the Chinese.
Coronaviruses are all around the world and not limited by national borders.

**Fatso** · 20th June 2020, 08:13 AM

Would appear that more & more people are just ignoring social distancing now especially in Public places where it really matters , this thing is not over .

**350RRC** · 20th June 2020, 09:47 AM

Current live count in the US (their Friday) is over 33,000 new cases for the day.

Some of the increases in the individual states over the last couple of weeks are very disturbing.

United States Coronavirus: 2,296,809 Cases and 121,402 Deaths - Worldometer

DL

**superquag** · 20th June 2020, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

The CSIRO advocates testing of sewage as a cheap and easy way to pin down coronavirus outbreaks.Techniques have been refined so that the presence of COVID-19 carriers in the community can be identified, regardless of whether they show symptoms.

CSIRO testing method pores over sewage to flush out COVID-19 outbreaks CSIRO pores over sewage to flush out COVID-19

I'm surprised this is not already being done on a wider scale, ie, suburbs or sewer-line major junctions/pumping stations. It's being done for illicit drugs, various areas show differing use of amphetamines.

Narrowing it down to an area would mean individual testing would be good 'Bang for the Buck' and even better if the 1-hour quick test was used.

On the other hand, a high number of 'asymptomatic positives' would not fit the narrative of SARS=Cov/2 being such a deadly disease as it would effectively shift the Case Mortality Ratio in the wrong direction... Lower. CMR for the (Deadly) 1918 "Spanish Flu" was around 2.26%

Found this just now:- CDC: Coronavirus Fatality Rate 0.26%, 8-15x Lower than Estimates

The two references (Stanford & Ionnides) are worth a look. Keep in mind the CDC is politicized, and management follows the current narrative, yet it still publishes (most of) the Facts.

"...For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.

Ultimately, we might find out that the IFR is even lower because numerous studies and hard counts of confined populations have shown a much higher percentage of asymptomatic cases. Simply adjusting for a 50% asymptomatic rate would drop their fatality rate to 0.2% – exactly the rate of fatality Dr. John Ionnidis of Stanford University projected.

Food for thought as we contemplate what's left of our - future - economy.

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