Thread: Corona Virus

Seven people who had the AZ vaccine tell of their side effects. Not part of the 4/million cohort, obviously.

Seven people who had the AstraZeneca vaccine reveal its side effects (thenewdaily.com.au)

I think it comes down to people being unrealistic and not knowing (or believing) that everything in life has an associated risk. All vaccines & medicines have a small risk but most would happily take the AZ blot clotting odds with almost anything else in their lives, but there's so much about this it amazes me. I'll happily line up for an AZ job (if it is every available) and take that tiny risk. We've all had plenty of other vaccines and our parents took that risk on our behalves when we were younger and we take that risk ourselves today when getting anything - like the Flu jab which most will be fine with but carries side effects and risks for some - but the vast majority are fine.

No idea why this is such a big deal. And I don't accept the 'This vaccine has been rushed' BS as it's had more man hours put into it than pretty much any other vaccine in history - it was produced quickly due to the amount of money thrown at the research.

If someone says they don't want to risk taking the AZ vaccine - ask them if they are happy to take the risk driving to the supermarket to get some milk - that is much more likely to injure or kill them.

Originally Posted by Tote

Humans are pretty bad at assessing relative risk. The Yellow fever vaccine has a 1 in 250,000 chance of a severe reaction and yet it is compulsory to have a vaccination certificate to travel to affected areas or return to Australia.

The Government is caught between a rock and a hard place given our current level of community infection. If one person died due to the vaccine there would be an uproar, its a different situation when many are dying daily from coronavirus.

Regards,
Tote

Fully agree which is why the discrepancies in optional health impacts like birth control and long overseas flights was a large contradiction in my small mind. Only a few withdrew from today's vaccinations and a dozen or so removed from next few weeks due to being under 50. As the exact number of 10 per bottle of the stuff is needed to avoid wastage, 200 odd phone calls to get happy replacements in did take several hours. Almost got it at 11am until the Doc kindly pointed out they had flu vax in the last few days sending me back to the phone lines

The news we are getting another 20,000,000 of the other vaccine is no work load for me. Not getting a Minus 80 degree freezer at my place - somebody else's problem now at Xmas time I hear possibly. That seem to leave a hole with 1/2 being 2nd dose allowing only 10,000,000 vaccinations. It seems to only cover some/most of the 18-50 year old population to me.

Japan was very good at controlling Covid yet is going backwards fast now which is where we go IF it goes wild again here. I doubt our boarders have every really stopped many human virus. We have done very well largely I think to not having to many sovereign citizen. Melbourne did have our JANE I got a great laugh when a Police office smashed her window.

The Best Vaccine is the first one you can get I think. My lucky status held up with my first does last Thursday.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Fully agree which is why the discrepancies in optional health impacts like birth control and long overseas flights was a large contradiction in my small mind. Only a few withdrew from today's vaccinations and a dozen or so removed from next few weeks due to being under 50. As the exact number of 10 per bottle of the stuff is needed to avoid wastage, 200 odd phone calls to get happy replacements in did take several hours. Almost got it at 11am until the Doc kindly pointed out they had flu vax in the last few days sending me back to the phone lines

The news we are getting another 20,000,000 of the other vaccine is no work load for me. Not getting a Minus 80 degree freezer at my place - somebody else's problem now at Xmas time I hear possibly. That seem to leave a hole with 1/2 being 2nd dose allowing only 10,000,000 vaccinations. It seems to only cover some/most of the 18-50 year old population to me.

Japan was very good at controlling Covid yet is going backwards fast now which is where we go IF it goes wild again here. I doubt our boarders have every really stopped many human virus. We have done very well largely I think to not having to many sovereign citizen. Melbourne did have our JANE I got a great laugh when a Police office smashed her window.

The Best Vaccine is the first one you can get I think. My lucky status held up with my first does last Thursday.

Their is no delivery date for the extra pfiser set in stone. The ' last quarter' is the time line stated, September to December. That's when the vaccine gets here. The PM could not answer the question posed 'will all Australians have their first dose by the end of the year. ' Nothing has changed up here. Not all aged care , or aged care workers, have had their first dose. NZ has a case which came from India, where there are two new variants that may not be detected by our immune systems. There is not a vaccine yet developed that would protect against that. And no one vaccinated now would have any protection against that. We are talking of a NZ/ Aus. bubble. What could possibly go wrong?

Originally Posted by bob10

The chance of getting blood clots using AZ is reported to be 4 to 6 cases / million. By comparison, the risk of blood clots with the oral contraceptive pill is reported to be 4 in every 10,000. What does that mean? Don't know , really. Use french letters, and get pfiser? This whole thing does my head in. here is AZ explained, from AAP;

AstraZeneca explained: Why it’s no longer ‘preferred’ for under-50s (thenewdaily.com.au)

I reckon a handful of Blood Thinners each day is the way to go bob, just don't cut your arm off.


Oh for the good olde days of Polio. At least we know how to handle that. No longer on Oral Contraceptives so no probs there but Moobs are a bit more prominent.


But Jeezuz, that Latex stuff really takes some chewing through & a fair while to digest..

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Fully agree which is why the discrepancies in optional health impacts like birth control and long overseas flights was a large contradiction in my small mind. Only a few withdrew from today's vaccinations and a dozen or so removed from next few weeks due to being under 50. As the exact number of 10 per bottle of the stuff is needed to avoid wastage, 200 odd phone calls to get happy replacements in did take several hours. Almost got it at 11am until the Doc kindly pointed out they had flu vax in the last few days sending me back to the phone lines

The news we are getting another 20,000,000 of the other vaccine is no work load for me. Not getting a Minus 80 degree freezer at my place - somebody else's problem now at Xmas time I hear possibly. That seem to leave a hole with 1/2 being 2nd dose allowing only 10,000,000 vaccinations. It seems to only cover some/most of the 18-50 year old population to me.

Japan was very good at controlling Covid yet is going backwards fast now which is where we go IF it goes wild again here. I doubt our boarders have every really stopped many human virus. We have done very well largely I think to not having to many sovereign citizen. Melbourne did have our JANE I got a great laugh when a Police office smashed her window.

The Best Vaccine is the first one you can get I think. My lucky status held up with my first does last Thursday.

Speaking of putting windows through, I hope he/she had read your recent comments & was at least courteous in the task.

Originally Posted by 4bee

I reckon a handful of Blood Thinners each day is the way to go bob, just don't cut your arm off.


Oh for the good olde days of Polio. At least we know how to handle that. No longer on Oral Contraceptives so no probs there but Man boobs are a bit more prominent.

When the date for vaccinations was announced, there was a feeling of confidence around the traps. Yep, we're ok now. That left a while ago. Now, every time we see a politician on TV spruking about how everything is under control, this is the image we see.

[QUOTE=bob10;3076447]When the date for vaccinations was announced, there was a feeling of confidence around the traps. Yep, we're ok now. That left a while ago. Now, every time we see a politician on TV spruking about how everything is under control, this is the image we see.



Early in the piece I had great faith in the Minister of Health but recently I have started to feel a bit disappointed as now Greg just appears to be doing what he is told.


Times like this we deserve the honest truth, what ever that may be good, bad or indifferent 'cos their sins will find them out one day.

I realise it is a bit hard as we have never been here before but the truth remains the truth. At least all should be on the same Tram, or page from the Hymn Book.,