Thread: Corona Virus

Regardless of all that^^^^^ which is all probably all true, I've already got Cabin Fever so am off for lunch in an open air Beer Garden in the Adelaide Hills with very wide spacing between tables.

Will take my own soap & hand sanitiser. Oh, & 'er indoors.

Can't be any worse than walking down the street imho. Well, not unless a wayward car did me in on the pavement which seems to be also in epidemic proportions around OZ lately.


Cest la vie.

Originally Posted by Homestar

No race now, cancelled completely. That just cost taxpayers $25M for no return.

I would've thought maybe more Gav, but I'm fine with that, $25M is an absolute drop in the ocean compared to what the overall cost will be, and IF a major outbreak occurs in Vic, our already stretched health system will not (despite what authorities say) have the resources to control it. As an example, delays of 4-5 hrs & more, to get attended to in casualty/emergency in a Public Hospital are not uncommon,...imagine if there were 1000 people arriving,..what would happen, where would the beds be? So on the basis of that, even though I was looking forward to the AGP, I'm very glad it's been cancelled....I listened to Lewis Hamilton, & that's definitely what He wanted. Maybe the whole GP season will be cancelled?!
I've already said Lives are more important than dollars, but also that the financial implications are going to be huge, in many cases caused by supply implications from China. My daughter was in a supermarket yesterday & was talking to a guy who used a lot of "Cabling" in his business, which he sourced from China, He now cannot buy this cabling, so can't work,..didn't know what He was going to do. I think you're something "electrical related" Gav, are you not, so will you be affected?
Regards, Martin.

Originally Posted by Homestar

No race now, cancelled completely. That just cost taxpayers $25M for no return.

!n 1918, the city of Philadelphia, USA , decided to hold a parade, to promote Liberty loans. Advised against it because of the flu virus which had been , at this stage, only a problem in military camps, they went ahead. And within 72 hours of that parade a horror no one could have imagined was unleashed.

" Philadelphia Threw a WWI Parade That Gave Thousands of Onlookers the Flu

The city sought to sell bonds to pay for the war effort, while bringing its citizens together during the infamous pandemic

An aircraft hull travels the parade route in Philadelphia (U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command Photograph) By Kenneth C. Davis
smithsonianmag.com
September 21, 2018

It was a parade like none Philadelphia had ever seen.

In the summer of 1918, as the Great War raged and American doughboys fell on Europe’s killing fields, the City of Brotherly Love organized a grand spectacle. To bolster morale and support the war effort, a procession for the ages brought together marching bands, Boy Scouts, women’s auxiliaries, and uniformed troops to promote Liberty Loans –government bonds issued to pay for the war. The day would be capped off with a concert led by the “March King” himself –John Philip Sousa.

When the Fourth Liberty Loan Drive parade stepped off on September 28, some 200,000 people jammed Broad Street, cheering wildly as the line of marchers stretched for two miles. Floats showcased the latest addition to America’s arsenal – floating biplanes built in Philadelphia’s Navy Yard. Brassy tunes filled the air along a route where spectators were crushed together like sardines in a can. Each time the music stopped, bond salesmen singled out war widows in the crowd, a move designed to evoke sympathy and ensure that Philadelphia met its Liberty Loan quota.
But aggressive Liberty Loan hawkers were far from the greatest threat that day. Lurking among the multitudes was an invisible peril known as influenza—and it loves crowds. Philadelphians were exposed en masse to a lethal contagion widely called “Spanish Flu,” a misnomer created earlier in 1918 when the first published reports of a mysterious epidemic emerged from a wire service in Madrid.
For Philadelphia, the fallout was swift and deadly. Two days after the parade, the city’s public health director Wilmer Krusen, issued a grim pronouncement: “The epidemic is now present in the civilian population and is assuming the type found in naval stations and cantonments [army camps].”

Within 72 hours of the parade, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled. In the week ending October 5, some 2,600 people in Philadelphia had died from the flu or its complications. A week later, that number rose to more than 4,500. With many of the city’s health professionals pressed into military service, Philadelphia was unprepared for this deluge of death.


It gets worse. Much worse. I'm for shutting everything down,.

Philadelphia Threw a WWI Parade That Gave Thousands of …


And guess what. There were conspiracy theories back then EDIT.

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Attempting to slow the carnage, city leaders essentially closed down Philadelphia. On October 3, officials shuttered most public spaces – including schools, churches, theaters and pool halls. But the calamity was relentless. Understaffed hospitals were crippled. Morgues and undertakers could not keep pace with demand. Grieving families had to bury their own dead. Casket prices skyrocketed. The phrase “bodies stacked like cordwood” became a common refrain.

And news reports and rumors soon spread that the Germans –the “Huns” – had unleashed the epidemic.

How Singapore was ready for the coronavirus. Other countries should take note.


Singapore Was Ready for Covid-19—Other Countries, Take Note | WIRED

An extract.

"People in Singapore, for now, get information from multiple government websites, frequently updated, as well as from a government WhatsApp account. People get their temperatures taken before they can enter most buildings, including businesses, schools, gyms, and government agencies, because fever is one of the main symptoms of Covid-19. (According to my sister-in-law, whose family has lived in Singapore for six years, everyone whose temperature is normal gets a sticker, and people are expected to acquire two or three stickers every day.) Hibberd, who’s in Singapore now working on the new coronavirus, says, “On every lift I ride, there’s a notice saying what I have to do. Everywhere you walk there’s information … There’s a confidence in that information, in the government and what they’re saying, and there’s an expectation you should follow it.” The country gives a bit of money to people who don’t have the kinds of jobs that support being out of work—and fines people who don’t follow the rules.In at least one hospital, the experience of SARS led to a complete reimagining of the ways physicians deal with patients. One article from personnel in the radiology department at Singapore General Hospital describes keeping teams of health care workers separate from one another in case one has to be quarantined, and physical separations for different kinds of patients—all sorts of seemingly small systematic changes that limit the spread of an infectious disease.

As one Singaporean researcher told The Guardian, “We don’t do anything different, we just do it well.”"

How to make your own hand sanitiser.


How to Make Your Own Hand Sanitizer | WIRED

in Adel i'm not seeing any change in peoples behaviors. people still out shopping, at cafes, still doing normal everyday things.

This will kill the cruise ship industry. Relatives have already cancelled a holiday and cruise to Japan. Friends are due to go to Spain soon, but will probably cancel. Many others will do the same.
Qantas has slashed flights by a third. Other airlines are cutting back.
Tourism between Europe and the USA will be crashed. In Asia, why would people go to China, Japan, South Korea or Thailand? Bali is likely to take a big hit as Indonesia gets serious about testing.
I reckon a lot of people will holiday in Australia rather than going overseas, which should help the local tourist industry.
The falling Aussie dollar both favours staying home and helps exporters.
Education, our fourth largest exporter, has lost about a quarter of total university students, who come from overseas.
The big danger for this country is that Chinese customers will cancel purchases of our resources, such as iron one and gas. If that happens our economy will take a huge hit.

The problem with putting quarantined casuals on Newstart is they will first have to register with Newstart, which can take some time to prove identity etc. Then they have to submit an actual claim, which takes five days to process. So they might have to go 2 weeks without any actual income. How do they eat and pay the rent?
Also, if they don't come to work their bosses are likely to give their shifts to someone else, so they lose their jobs.

I reckon many will do the same as with influenza - take meds and cold and flu tablets and go to work anyway. So the virus will spread.

Reality is Coronavirus will become endemic like influenza. Everyone will eventually get it and some will die.
Even when a vaccine becomes available, people will still get it, but the vaccine just increases their resistance, same as with the flu.

I saw one health expert's prediction that the peak of the Coronavirus pandemic in Australia will be about mid-year, say June-August. The government's first stimulus package will have washed through by then, and the economic impact will be the greatest, so we will be in recession unless the stimulus is repeated, just like the GFC stimulus had to have two rounds, so that could happen in the May budget.
One expert predicted the government would have to spend about $20b over four quarters to prevent a recession. This should kill off the criticism of the previous government's response to the GFC, which was one of the reasons we avoided a recession then. They got it right, I think.

BTW I have a runny nose today, but no fever, which means I don't have Coronavirus. How you others going?

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

This will kill the cruise ship industry. Relatives have already cancelled a holiday and cruise to Japan. Friends are due to go to Spain soon, but will probably cancel. Many others will do the same.
Qantas has slashed flights by a third. Other airlines are cutting back.
Tourism between Europe and the USA will be crashed. In Asia, why would people go to China, Japan, South Korea or Thailand? Bali is likely to take a big hit as Indonesia gets serious about testing.
I reckon a lot of people will holiday in Australia rather than going overseas, which should help the local tourist industry.
The falling Aussie dollar both favours staying home and helps exporters.
Education, our fourth largest exporter, has lost about a quarter of total university students, who come from overseas.
The big danger for this country is that Chinese customers will cancel purchases of our resources, such as iron one and gas. If that happens our economy will take a huge hit.

The problem with putting quarantined casuals on Newstart is they will first have to register with Newstart, which can take some time to prove identity etc. Then they have to submit an actual claim, which takes five days to process. So they might have to go 2 weeks without any actual income. How do they eat and pay the rent?
Also, if they don't come to work their bosses are likely to give their shifts to someone else, so they lose their jobs.

I reckon many will do the same as with influenza - take meds and cold and flu tablets and go to work anyway. So the virus will spread.

Reality is Coronavirus will become endemic like influenza. Everyone will eventually get it and some will die.
Even when a vaccine becomes available, people will still get it, but the vaccine just increases their resistance, same as with the flu.

I saw one health expert's prediction that the peak of the Coronavirus pandemic in Australia will be about mid-year, say June-August. The government's first stimulus package will have washed through by then, and the economic impact will be the greatest, so we will be in recession unless the stimulus is repeated, just like the GFC stimulus had to have two rounds, so that could happen in the May budget.
One expert predicted the government would have to spend about $20b over four quarters to prevent a recession. This should kill off the criticism of the previous government's response to the GFC, which was one of the reasons we avoided a recession then. They got it right, I think.

BTW I have a runny nose today, but no fever, which means I don't have Coronavirus. How you others going?

Can't help yourself can you Disco,..I was reading your post & thought, this is all good stuff, non political etc, and then the last two lines in the second last para.
So, here is the truth, the previous Govt's "1st" stimulus package was reasonably well accepted, but the second was rubbish, absolute rubbish,....insulation, school buildings, money just "thrown away". I just hope the current Govt, or whoever may be in control, I don't care, of whatever political persuasion, waste our Aussie dollars in that way ever again.
To introduce politics into this discussion shows very poor taste.
Pickles.