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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    Meanwhile back to consuming copious amounts of Cloudy Bay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by superquag View Post
    Right .... first, the website is super dodgy:
    21st Century Wire is a conspiracy and conjecture site run by Patrick Henningsen. Henningsen has ties to both Infowars and Alex Jones, also known for fake news and broad conspiracies. They also seem to have ties to, or at least to be pro-Russian in much of their content. Specifically Russian Today (RT) the state run Russian news outlet.

    21st Century Wire - Media Bias/Fact Check

    It goes on to note that:


    21st Century Wire is an alternative news website that rejects the consensus of science regarding climate change and also promotes the conspiracy that mainstream media is publishing fake news. This source has also received an unproven claim by Snopes, which 21st Century Wire considers a questionable source. The website Fort Liberty has placed 21st Century Wire on it’s Fake News/Hoax list. 21st Century employs somewhat sensational headlines and does provide sourcing to attempt to support claims, however most are to themselves. The primary issue is that 21st Century publishes some questionable stories (see examples above) that are embedded among legitimate stories they publish. This can mislead the reader.
    A factual search reveals 21st Century Wire has a poor record with fact checkers. (D. Van Zandt 7/20/2016)


    There's this claim in the article posted:

    "You wouldn’t know it by listening to western politicians or mainstream media stenographers, there are also nonlockdown countries. They are led by Sweden, Iceland, Belarus, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Surprisingly to some, their results have been as good or better than the lockdown countries, but without having to endure the socio-economic chaos we are now witnessing across the world. For this reason alone, Sweden and others like them, have already won the policy debate, as well as the scientific one too."

    So:


    • Sweden has a very high death rate - take a look at the post immediately above yours - 265 deaths per million vs 4 per million for Australia - so if that's "success" then they're welcome to it


    • Iceland - test and trace, aggressive quarantine and they haven't ruled out a lockdown - and its population is about the same as Wollongong's:

    "Iceland has yet to take many of the draconian measures seen across Europe and Asia of state-wide lockdowns, though the island country has banned gatherings of 100 people or more and closed secondary and tertiary schools.

    Officials say more restrictive measures haven’t been needed because they were better prepared and armed with data to track the virus.

    “Testing and contact tracing are one of the key reasons why a lockdown has not been considered necessary up to this point,” its Directorate of Health said in a statement to CNN.

    “There is also another reason, no less important, we have pursued a very aggressive policy of quarantine for individuals -- suspected to be at risk of having contracted the virus -- for much longer and at a higher scale than most other countries we are aware of.”
    Iceland began testing its population in early February, weeks before its first coronavirus-related death, Stefánsson said, adding that health officials have aggressively contact-traced and quarantined confirmed and suspected Covid-19 cases."

    • Belarus - their president has denied that coronavirus is a threat. The UN is now pointing to "sustained and pervasive local transmission" and Belarus is asking the IMF for loans:


    On 16 March 2020, president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, dismissed the threat of coronavirus and encouraged working in fields and driving tractors as a way of overcoming the pandemic: "You just have to work, especially now, in a village [...] there, the tractor will heal everyone. The fields heal everyone".[72] In his further comments on the pandemic, the Belarusian leader referred to it as "psychosis" and, on 28 March, played a game of hockey, later stating in an interview "it is better to die on our feet, than live on your knees [...] sport, especially on ice, is better than any antiviral medication, it is the real thing".[73][74] Prior to that, in an official meeting, Lukashenko proposed "poisoning" the coronavirus with vodka, as well as attending banyas as the best cure for the disease.

    On 28 April, the United NationsResident Coordinator in Belarus, Joanna Kazana-Wisniowiecki, emphasized the importance of complying with the WHO recommendations in her video address to the nation and characterized the current state of the pandemic in the country as "sustained and pervasive local transmission", reiterating the previous WHO assessment.[100] On that same day, in a WHO report, the current epidemiological situation in Belarus was labeled as "concerning" and requiring "the immediate implementation of a comprehensive blended strategy", involving a variety of physical distancing measures, as well as expansion of testing capacity, improvements in QA for the locally produced COVID-19 test kits and implementation of standardized screening procedures at international entry points

    Oh, and, surprise, surprise, the government's transparency has been questioned.


    • Japan - Japan would love to do a lockdown but the government doesn't have the Constitutional power to order one. It is also likely that Japan's actual situation is much worse than the Ministry of Health is admitting, because they have all of the same risk factors as China - huge crowded cities, crowded public transport and no social distancing. There were reports today that hospitals in Tokyo weren't admitting people with coronavirus symptoms because they were either full or said that they weren't equipped to deal with someone who was infectious. Having lived in Japan for a long time, and having spent last Christmas Day in two Japanese hospitals, I have no doubt that they wouldn't cope with a pandemic.



    • South Korea - test and trace, and they have in fact restricted their economy - not a complete lockdown, but they are not operating as per normal and it is affecting their economy.




    • Taiwan - test and trace and they are prepared to institute a lockdown if needed:


    https://qz.com/1841177/taiwan-contai...ckdown-anyway/
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    Quote Originally Posted by superquag View Post
    ... She forsees....that she'll go insane if she can't get a hug ! - Solution:- Go to Sweden. Why Sweden Has Already Won the Debate on COVID 'Lockdown' Policy - 21st Century Wire

    (Speaking of Predictions, where's good old Nostradamus when we need his guidance ?)


    Whichever way you take it (assuming you read it through) there's some interesting bits, such as Imperial College's Prognostications - previous ones have been ...less than inspiring (Foot & Mouth outbreak) Then there's the financial strings between UK Govt, and Bill Gates.

    Who controls the British Government response to Covid–19? | UK Column

    Does the Swedish Constitution permit a short-notice executive-decided Lockdown ? Just because ours does (?) does not mean everyone else's makes it easy or possible.

    The hug-deprived Laurie Garret makes some telling observations about the US "health system" (It doesn't warrant upper case...) Perhaps the most expensive country in which to fall sick, arguably the highest - tech medical machinery and drugs, the most cost-efficient hospitals (many are 'for-Profit', so they need to be efficient to stay open) a very powerful Medical Association, one of, if not the highest number and variety of vaccinations for every possible disease and mandated by Law, the widest choices of foods, both fast and slow, adequate housing and hygiene for most.
    So why are they dying in droves, in their hi-tech and efficient hospitals ?
    Is there some underlying pathology such as pre-diabetes or air pollution or hidden infections or nutritional deficits afflicting so many Americans that they are more susceptible than say, Icelanders / Japanese / South Koreans / Mexicans, or Germans ?
    Most of the quotes in your post are just wrong, wrong, wrong. Recommend you get better information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanoH View Post
    Ha, ha .................. you've got to admit though, in this umpteenth week of lock-down, it makes far better TV than re runs of 'Neighbours' to watch the Muppet for Education, a cabinet Minister no less, making an absolute goose of himself on national TV.

    It would be funny if it wasn't so vitally important for our governments both state and federal to be seen to be on the same page and working together in a bi-partisan manner during this crisis. It's a fact of life and a constitutional reality that the state governments have the responsibility and authority for education. It is also equally obvious that the PM doesn't like this. It's in every ones interest that the PM collars his attack dogs, sucks it up and moves on letting the states who are, as shown in this case, clearly much better acquainted with the facts in their jurisdictions to get on with it.

    It could be equally entertaining and a highlight of a lock-down week to have a sequel to Sundays episode, say a re-enactment of the the conversation between the PM and Dan Tehan after the Victorian government press release re a Corona virus case at a Victorian primary school. Much arm waving and shouting, 'expletive deleted' beeping and falling on sword vs. being thrown under bus commentary. Even a fade at the end to Dan Tehan (or the PM) relaxing to his favourite Edith Piaf (Non, Je Regrette Rien) song. There's a big marketing opportunity here for the ABC's Insiders team and with his extensive marketing background the PM could help make it happen with the bonus of a televised opportunity to advance his case. A win, win for all concerned.


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    State Premiers have no reason to bend the.knee to PMs and so PMs find they can't browbeat them into submission. Was interesting to see the Victorian Premier laugh off the Federal Education Ministers rant as not even worth responding too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    State Premiers have no reason to bend the.knee to PMs and so PMs find they can't browbeat them into submission. Was interesting to see the Victorian Premier laugh off the Federal Education Ministers rant as not even worth responding too.

    PM can always decide to give the state a small share of the GST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    State Premiers have no reason to bend the.knee to PMs and so PMs find they can't browbeat them into submission. Was interesting to see the Victorian Premier laugh off the Federal Education Ministers rant as not even worth responding too.
    An example of federal gov playing a card that makes a state “comply” to its will.

    SA road laws and DUI limits and speed limits.

    Both adjusted to .05 and 100 when federal gov threatened to reduce funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    State Premiers have no reason to bend the.knee to PMs and so PMs find they can't browbeat them into submission.
    PMs certainly can and have done so in the past forcing the states to do as they want. Former PM Howard did exactly that in 1996 when he forced the states to adopt his gun laws. The big stick he used was the threat to withdraw funding from the states...and he meant it. They capitulated and did his bidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumbles View Post
    PMs certainly can and have done so in the past forcing the states to do as they want. Former PM Howard did exactly that in 1996 when he forced the states to adopt his gun laws. The big stick he used was the threat to withdraw funding from the states...and he meant it. They capitulated and did his bidding.
    But that would have been political suicide for the state governments,and they knew it.Just imagine the huge mess,having different firearm legislation in different states.

    They are actually slightly different,but basically very similar.

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    US deaths predicted to nearly double by June 1, as Trump wants to reopen the States.

    Live Coronavirus News and Updates - The New York Times
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    My understanding is that the American health system is mostly run on a private over public enterprise. Does this mean that thousands, tens of thousands, of individuals are going to be handed massive medical bills on leaving hospital? Will the families of the deceased that have spent days on ventilators before succumbing to this virus, be hit with costs in the tens of thousands of dollars? Isn't it the first question asked when you arrive at an American hospital, "Do you have insurance?". I'm just curious how this is going to work, won't these hospitals want to recoup costs or will Donald be footing the bill?
    I'd YES to all the above, except for the last sentence!
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