Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by Tombie

The UN has proven time and time again to be toothless when it comes to the crunch.

The aforementioned POTUS went against their direction on several occasions. Result - Nothing.

It’s a feel good organisation. And when it matters - has no sway.

Wrong. It's not perfect, but it has done good, there has been some excellent work from peacekeepers around the world, [ some bad work by certain African and Middle Eastern soldiers , as well] Part of the problem is that the five permanent members of the Security Council have the power of veto, and this is why Israel has never been bought to task, the USA veto's any proposed sanctions. Same with Russia, with her friends. But good has been done , as difficult as it has been.

The U.N. has an impressive record of resolving many international conflicts. U.N. peacekeepers have, since 1945, undertaken over 60 field missions and negotiated 172 peaceful settlements that ended regional conflicts. Right now, peacekeepers are in 20 hot spots around the world trying to save lives and avert wars.The Security Council must be reformed and strengthened to enable the U.N. as a whole to confront and resolve complex challenges of our world.

The U.N. also fought for the liberation of countries that have been under colonial rule for over 450 years. Eighty nations and more than 750 million people have since been freed from colonialism.The 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights empowered the U.N. to act as custodian for the protection of human rights, discrimination against women, children’s rights, torture, missing persons and arbitrary detention that was occurring in many countries.Moreover, the U.N. and its specialised agencies are engaged in enhancing all aspects of human life, including education, health, poverty reduction, the rights of women and children, and climate change.As a result, the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded 12 times to the U.N., its specialised agencies, programmes and staff. This included an award in 1988 to the U.N. Peacekeeping Forces, and in 2001 to the U.N. and its secretary-general, Kofi Annan.The U.N. defined, codified and expanded the realm of international law, governing the legal responsibilities of States in their conduct with each other, and their treatment of individuals within State boundaries. More than 560 multilateral treaties on human rights, refugees, disarmament, trade, oceans, outer space, etc. encompassing all aspects of international affairs were negotiated by the U.N.The U.N. has made progress with its eight Millennium Development Goals, which will be followed by 17 Sustainable Development Goals to enhance social, environmental and economic progress by 2030. But it could not stop the United States from abandoning the Kyoto Protocol, ignoring the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, repudiating the Biological Weapons Convention, and repealing the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

There seems to be a lot of grandstanding going on over the Freemantle ship, our borders are not closed to trade, the ship is here to load and provide export income, none of the crew were wandering around Freemantle, the pilot wore appropriate PPE. We have to expect that these situations will occur given the rest of the world has not been as successful as Australia in containing the virus and as I see it are not even remotely comparable with the Ruby Princess saga. There will be challenges to managing sick crew and it seems to me that the WA premier is most concerned about these cases impacting his numbers of Covid cases more than anything else.

Regards,
Tote

Cut and paste king does it again.

Bob, that’s straight from the PR dept.

Remember the UN is also working towards Financial & Economic goals. Not many of which would align to your sensitivities I would suspect.

Stopping a few places scrapping isn’t a huge claim to fame, and the freeing of colonies - look how successful that been in India/Pakistan for example.

Originally Posted by bob10

Wrong. It's not perfect, but it has done good, there has been some excellent work from peacekeepers around the world, [ some bad work by certain African and Middle Eastern soldiers , as well] Part of the problem is that the five permanent members of the Security Council have the power of veto, and this is why Israel has never been bought to task, the USA veto's any proposed sanctions. Same with Russia, with her friends. But good has been done , as difficult as it has been.

The U.N. has an impressive record of resolving many international conflicts. U.N. peacekeepers have, since 1945, undertaken over 60 field missions and negotiated 172 peaceful settlements that ended regional conflicts. Right now, peacekeepers are in 20 hot spots around the world trying to save lives and avert wars.The Security Council must be reformed and strengthened to enable the U.N. as a whole to confront and resolve complex challenges of our world.

reminds me of this

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Originally Posted by Ferret

That's how it is in WA. Can't enter or leave without applying for an exemption, even WA residents.

COVID-19 coronavirus: Travel to WA

I (we) can leave for Victoria and arrive there with no sanction nor exemption. I can't come back without mandatory 14 days quarantine.

I'm ok with that. WA has done well by locking down. Hopefully by September the borders will have been relaxed because it'll be under control in the East. If they haven't then it's 14 days at home. There are worse things to worry about.

I still have to be swabbed when I land in Vic, but that's a situation specific thing rather than the rule.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Cut and paste king does it again.

Bob, that’s straight from the PR dept.

Remember the UN is also working towards Financial & Economic goals. Not many of which would align to your sensitivities I would suspect.

Stopping a few places scrapping isn’t a huge claim to fame, and the freeing of colonies - look how successful that been in India/Pakistan for example.

It is easy to forget that the UN was established with one primary aim - to stop a repeat of the world war that had just ended, and in this respect do better than its predecessor, the League of Nations, which only managed to delay the next world war by twenty years. As far as I can see, with it now 75 years without a world war, it has been successful in its primary aim. Everything else is minor compared to this, and yes, it is not perfect.

Is it the UN, or that no-one walks away from a nuclear war that has prevented a resumption of global conflict.

Originally Posted by jspyle

Is it the UN, or that no-one walks away from a nuclear war that has prevented a resumption of global conflict.

Perhaps these days, when wishing to create an empire, it's all about appearing passive and adopting ploys such as using ones money to purchase another country's assets or handing out loans to developing countries, which have no way of repaying the loan, and is more economical than outlay on weapons, munitions, troops and the monetary cost of conflict.