Corona Virus

**bob10** · 28th May 2020, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tote

I would take issue with a few of those statements

Nothing political about it, as a matter of fact a quick poll found that over 60% of Qlders thought it necessary The fact that 60% of Qlders thought it was a good idea does not make it right, just popular in a state that thrives on being parochial and makes the premier more popular. It also does not have any basis in fact in stopping the spread of the virus.

One aspect of the border closure is not well known. After the Qld border was closed , Grey Nomads [ and others] through their network found a loophole. Hungerford. Hordes of them poured over the border , and that made it necessary for Qld to call in the Army, and Police to man border crossings. A consequence of this was that these people had to be isolated somewhere, and some country towns had these usurpers on their doorstep, eating them out of house and home. Shops ran out of essentials, tempers were frayed, an unnecessary inconvenience.
But none of this would have happened if the borders had not been shut, the QLD govt brought it all on themselves by shutting the border. If stay at home rules had simply been enforced as in other states then people would not have been forced to break the law to get to their end destination. Quite apart from that there were NO cases of coronavirus in those populations anyway so all the angst was for nought.

Compare that with the Ruby Princess, I know which organisation I want looking after us, and it is not South of the Border. There goes that parochialism again, if the Ruby princess was based out of Brisbane the same thing would have happened. At the time the cruise was considered low risk and decisions were made on that basis. With the benefit of hindsight it would have been handled differently. If half of Blackwater develops Coronavirus in the next coupe of weeks we will see that Border boundaries make no difference to the spread of the virus anyway.

Regards,
Tote

Always build your argument on solid ground. I'm afraid you have chosen sand. I suggest you go back thru this thread, all the arguments for border closures have been made, and the consensus is they were undeniably necessary. Do we have to go thru all that again? I'm prepared to , if only to demonstrate where you are wrong. Not having a go at you, but you should base posts on facts, not hyperbole.
EDIT
One fact needs to be stated, the border has never been completely shut. Trade and public access can still be had. You just need a permit, obtainable on line. Some have even suggested here that having a similar piece of paper on your windscreen will get you thru, but I can't confirm that. Perhaps the emotion may have been taken out of this if they called it " a controlled border crossing". I didn't realise how many Mexicans were desperate to get here, but I don't blame them.

**Tote** · 28th May 2020, 08:22 AM

I think it will take some time to get to the point where we can work out if a trans tasman bubble is feasible or not. It seems that NZ has pretty much eradicated the virus (for now) which puts it in a pretty unique position. The problem now is keeping the virus out and whether the cost, both fiscal and human is worth the effort to remain virus free in a world that is most definitely not. A good illustration of this problem is the current South Australian case where an overseas visitor was given permission to travel to see a dying relative on compassionate grounds and after being in quarantine for a week tested positive when she arrived in Adelaide. She was then isolated and managed so there was little risk of infection but there are still calls to ban all compassionate exceptions. This is an example of the challenges that both countries would face in creating a "travel bubble".

Regards,
Tote

**windsock** · 28th May 2020, 08:30 AM

Latest data on the sources of transmission in NZ

See COVID-19 - current cases | Ministry of Health NZ for more details.

69% of our cases were imported or import related. I cannot help but think 100% of our cases were imported but there must be a way to compartmentalize this... see definitions for the table copied from the linked site below...

Imported cases: Cases with a reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset.
Imported related cases: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or epidemiological link) to an imported/overseas acquired case.
Locally acquired cases, epidemiologically linked: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or other epidemiological link) to a locally acquired case with unknown source.
Locally acquired cases, unknown source: Cases that have no reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset and no recorded epidemiological link to a source case.
Source of infection remains under investigation whereby source of infection could not be classified due to incomplete EpiSurv case report forms. These cases are removed from further analyses in the sections below.

Transmission type	% of cases
Imported cases	38%
Imported related cases	31%
Locally acquired cases, epidemiologically linked	25%
Locally acquired cases, unknown source	6%
Source under investigation	0%

**bob10** · 28th May 2020, 08:30 AM

Some news .

Team of contract tracers deployed to small town after coronavirus death

**bob10** · 28th May 2020, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by windsock

Latest data on the sources of transmission in NZ

See COVID-19 - current cases | Ministry of Health NZ for more details.

69% of our cases were imported or import related. I cannot help but think 100% of our cases were imported but there must be a way to compartmentalize this... see definitions for the table copied from the linked site below...

Imported cases: Cases with a reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset.
Imported related cases: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or epidemiological link) to an imported/overseas acquired case.
Locally acquired cases, epidemiologically linked: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or other epidemiological link) to a locally acquired case with unknown source.
Locally acquired cases, unknown source: Cases that have no reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset and no recorded epidemiological link to a source case.
Source of infection remains under investigation whereby source of infection could not be classified due to incomplete EpiSurv case report forms. These cases are removed from further analyses in the sections below.

There should be no travel between NZ and Australia until it is clear there have been no cases in Australia for at least 28 days. Any thing else is too much of a risk, without a vaccine.

**bob10** · 28th May 2020, 08:42 AM

What's happening in Blackwater.

Residents of town where youngest COVID-19 victim died to be tested today

**bob10** · 28th May 2020, 08:56 AM

The case for a co-ordinated Global plan for a coronavirus vaccine.

"If nations pursue a competitive race to develop effective vaccines and therapeutics, there will be only losers, no winners. The threat posed by the novel coronavirus knows no borders. Only a well-coordinated global plan that harnesses the best science and delivers it to everyone in need can effectively counteract the Covid-19 scourge and future pandemics."

In a sign of potential US intentions, US delegates to the WHO’s World Health Assembly in Geneva on 18 and 19 May refused to sign up to a proposed agreement by all countries to permit poorer countries to ignore patents to gain access to successful Covid-19 vaccines. The US argued that this would remove the financial incentives for corporations to make the risky and expensive investments required to produce vaccines.

Trump’s Operation Warp Speed – his direction to US researchers to produce a vaccine by the end of the year – is being seen as a Covid-19 extension of his “America First” political agenda. There is an expectation in international organisations that Trump will want to vaccinate Americans first with an American vaccine, and that he desperately wants a vaccine before the US Presidential election which he could boast as a victory over China.But if China “wins the race”, there is concern that it could use the offer of vaccines to desperate governments as an instrument for gaining wider global influence

The battle for a Covid vaccine risks losing the “war”

**ramblingboy42** · 28th May 2020, 09:01 AM

I'm reading the reaction from mexican posters to controlling their northern meanderings.

What is the big ****ing deal about needing or wanting to come into Queensland?

Please tell me what is here that you dont have in NSW?

The umpire blew the whistle , accept the decision and stop ****ing whinging about what you have been denied for the time being.

For every reason or attraction you can name that is over our border , I can point you to it's equal in NSW. Open your minds , go explore your own state, most of you haven't. Now is a good time and opportunity.

You are not unwelcome here , you want to break the rules that have been set for a reason and you all know that reason.

We will welcome you here again after the umpire blows play on.

**Tote** · 28th May 2020, 09:07 AM

Actually it is the QLD tourism industry that's going down the toilet which impacts on the whole country's economic success. We don't want to go there, we just don't want to pay your dole bill.
We are all in this together, if the states that are busy restricting their economy were to receive an adjustment to the proceeds that they get from the GST I suspect the situation would be very different.

Regards,
Tote

**windsock** · 28th May 2020, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

There should be no travel between NZ and Australia until it is clear there have been no cases in Australia for at least 28 days. Any thing else is too much of a risk, without a vaccine.

Agreed, although I think waiting for a vaccine may be too long a wait.

We can do this if the management of this is the same or similar between states and our two countries. Too many different management methods allows for too much risk of outbreaks through inconsistent approaches, and too many issues for the effective control of an outbreak to arise in the event of one. There needs to be a compatible infrastructure for tracing/tracking, testing and isolation and dealing with cases as and when they arise if we are to avoid Lockdown v2.0.

We have all learnt how we need to deal with this (contact tracing, testing and isolation) and our new normal is going to need to reflect the application of a majority of what we have learned but we all need to be operating at the same level of efficacy of method for the success of any ANZAC 'bubble'.

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