Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by Eevo

not much different to an infected member of the public visiting a hospital.

This is from Royal North Shore on the 27th June.

The public is being asked not to visit hospital patients due to the current COVID-19 situation.

The hospital is now on red alert and this requirement has been introduced in the interests of safety and wellbeing of patients, their families and staff.

We know this is hard and how important visitors are for the wellbeing of our patients.

We encourage the use of technology, where possible, to check in with loved ones.

Hospital staff will of course give careful and compassionate consideration to some wards such as paediatrics, maternity, critical care and palliative care areas and to individual circumstances.

Please speak to staff on the ward who will able be to discuss your circumstances, give you information about patients and help you connect with your loved ones.

Hopefully this measure will be for a short time as we all respond to the latest COVID-19 outbreak. We thank you for your patience and understanding.

Originally Posted by 4bee

Good points. We don't hear much, if anything, about those who have succumbed after being tested +. If any, that is.

Have they all been buried en masse in Canberra's lovely gardens like we saw in South America & Italy or have they got over it or are we not being told?

Cynical? Moi?

The data on how many infected and how many recovered is available everywhere.

If you know of any mass graves please let the press know.

Originally Posted by Saitch

Bob, I did say that I was more than happy with no ICU patients and only 40 hospitalised. I'd like to see none in hospital.

What I am trying to say is, is that the hysteria of last year about how lethal this virus was, remember, when the planet's population was going to be wiped out, is not borne out by figures i.e. worldwide 182,000,000 cases and 3,900,000 deaths. Now, I know a lot of deaths would not be recorded but, neither would a lot of cases.
Also, how does the comorbidity data figure in the results?

Why is no up to date advice on the severity of this thing given by the pollies or the health people?

Information is definitely withheld by authorities, as in the case of the big flu scare of several years ago. A major, Qld hospital was on high alert, with extra, specialised treatment areas ready and serious contingency plans. These details were never made public, so as not to panic the sheep. Not saying 'Right or Wrong, just making the point.

Odd - I thought these points were dealt with on this thread about 13 months ago.

COVID is about 40 times more lethal than influenza - as India, the US, Brazil and the UK discovered, if it spreads uncontrollably a lot of people die.

It's not as lethal as SARS, MERS or Ebola, but if it was we - humanity - would be in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Odd - I thought these points were dealt with on this thread about 13 months ago.

COVID is about 40 times more lethal than influenza - as India, the US, Brazil and the UK discovered, if it spreads uncontrollably a lot of people die.

It's not as lethal as SARS, MERS or Ebola, but if it was we - humanity - would be in serious trouble.

I was thinking about this today. If covid was left uncontrolled, with a 3% mortality rate it would mean for my school of 1000 students - 30 students and 60 parents dead. Perhaps if the vulnerability balance is not correct it might be 0 students and 90 parents dead. Some people think covids not that bad, but thats a lot of people just in our school community. Add to that probably 3-5 staff. In my local town that would be about 1200 people. Crazy stuff, however I'm glad I'm living in Australia right at the moment.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I was thinking about this today. If covid was left uncontrolled, with a 3% mortality rate it would mean for my school of 1000 students - 30 students and 60 parents dead. Perhaps if the vulnerability balance is not correct it might be 0 students and 90 parents dead. Some people think covids not that bad, but thats a lot of people just in our school community. Add to that probably 3-5 staff. In my local town that would be about 1200 people. Crazy stuff, however I'm glad I'm living in Australia right at the moment.

Exactly, and that's not taking into account the long-term effects that we now know that people who survive can have.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Exactly, and that's not taking into account the long-term effects that we now know that people who survive can have.

Thats exactly it. Brain, heart, even if people only talk mortality rates, a lot of people will probably never fully recover from covid.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

COVID is about 40 times more lethal than influenza -

Not sure where you got that stat. When apples are compared with apples, that is - no vaccine for the flu and no vaccine for Covid then Covid is only about 50% more lethal than influenza - I think you are comparing unvaccinated death rates of COVID against vaccinated rates of influenza - is apples compared to oranges.

Originally Posted by 101RRS

Not sure where you got that stat. When apples are compared with apples, that is - no vaccine for the flu and no vaccine for Covid then Covid is only about 50% more lethal than influenza - I think you are comparing unvaccinated death rates of COVID against vaccinated rates of influenza - is apples compared to oranges.

Well, WHO for starters:

Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Similarities and differences with influenza

0.1% of people who get influenza die - not clear what percentage of those have had fluvax.

So, 4.0/0.1 = 40.