Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by bob10

Answer this question. WHY was the ADF needed to bolster the Police presence? When Qld needed more Police for community Policing in SE Qld during the lockdown, they brought them in from the regions. The ADF was used to man check points, relieving some Police to do their sworn duty. Once again the fantasy arises that other States have learned from NSW about delta. That narrative is false, the fact is NSW refused to follow the example of States that showed how to deal with COVID. As for Victoria, outbreaks seeded from outside the state because of bad practices elsewhere should not be used to justify those bad practices. The word is disingenuous. We can talk about credibilty when we see the ADF patrolling with Police in Eastern suburbs coffee shops. As for vaccinations, we are still waiting on adequate vaccines. Enough said.

Now, the ADF .

" A State or self governing Territory can apply for a State protection order to protect the State or Territory from domestic violence" [ rioting for example, not house hold violence] The use of the ADF in SW Sydney is not 'protecting the State from domestic violence', so it is not an example of a State protection order. At this stage there is not domestic violence that would affect Commonwealth interests, so the ADF has not been called out over domestic violence that would affect Commonwealth interests, so the ADF has not been called out under part 111A of the act, and is not providing defence aid to the Civil Authorities.

So this must be an example of Defence Aid to the Civil Community [ DACC] DACC is not provided for in the Defence Act, but is governed in the DACC manual.The current use of the ADF is either DACC cat.4 or DACC cat5, an explanation of which is contained in the following link. Along with the powers of the ADF in Defence Aid to the Civil Community.

What the ADF can and cannot do while patrolling our streets - The Big Smoke

In answer to the question:

It doubles the capability of the NSW police force to monitor stay at home orders and to enforce the reasons that people have to be out and about without drawing down police presence from the regions. From the Defence web site the basis on which the ADF are assisting Defence personnel to assist NSW Police and civilian authorities with COVID-19 outbreak | Defence News.
All sounds pretty sensible to me under the circumstances.

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by JDNSW

That graph has a logarithmic Y axis, which means that straight line from 20/7 really is exponential! Even if it won't reach 1000/day until a few days into September.

And a case in Dubbo overnight.

except its not a straight line, its curved. anyways, point is nsw wont reach 700per day by friday.

Originally Posted by incisor

because they aren't... they spend millions each year on advertising, not to mention taxing the crap out of it

false equivalence yet again eevo..

thankyou for proving my point.

Originally Posted by vnx205

There are already restrictions on each of the things you mention and on some combinations of the things you mention.

The government is doing some things to reduce the harm that is possible from each of those things.

correct, reduce but not an outright ban.
same thing with lockdown. it;s a balanced approach.

QLD recorded 4 new cases , all in home quarantine. There have been no cases recorded in Cairns, Cairns & Yarrabah come out of lock down at 4 PM, under restrictions. 40% of Qlders have had their first jab, 20% have had both.

Originally Posted by Tote

In answer to the question:

It doubles the capability of the NSW police force to monitor stay at home orders and to enforce the reasons that people have to be out and about without drawing down police presence from the regions. From the Defence web site the basis on which the ADF are assisting Defence personnel to assist NSW Police and civilian authorities with COVID-19 outbreak | Defence News.
All sounds pretty sensible to me under the circumstances.

Regards,
Tote

Yes, of course it does.

ADF support to the civil community is guided by the Australian constitution. ADF personnel supporting the COVID outbreak in NSW are not authorised as law enforcement officers, nor are they able to enforce health orders.

A confirmed case has been found at Dubbo West Public school, COVID fragments found in Dubbo and Mudgee sewage.And two workers at different Aged Care facilities have tested positive in Newcastle.

Originally Posted by Eevo

correct, reduce but not an outright ban.
same thing with lockdown. it;s a balanced approach.

More false equivalence