Thread: NT to bring back climbing Uluru?

This has Everything to do with the traditional owners.
They closed down the Rock without considering or caring about the rest of the Community as a whole in the Alice that depend on the tourism that was generated when the Rock was open.
A lot of people depend on the tourist dollar in that area and the closure of the Rock has had a significant detrimental effect on their livelihood and I doubt very much if the traditional owners care that much about the effect on others in the community.

I fervently agree Bulletman; Alice is an amazing place apart from those issues you mentioned.

My lovely wife was born and raised in Alice ( or surrounding stations) ,and we have spent weeks touring, East MacDonnells , West Macdonnells, Arltunga, Ruby Gorge ,,, the list is just about endless.

Originally Posted by Tins

People often do that on the Opera House, often to the cheering of the far left. Does that make their opinion more valuable than mine? I often pee on my garden. Is my garden any less property of these Traditional Owners than the Rock? If so, how?

Here is a challenge. All those who believe that the 'Traditional Owners' have some claim to this country can give up their house, or Body Corporate, or freehold, or whatever to those Traditional Owners, in some kind of ceremony, and I'll match you.

How about it? Is your little piece of Australia stolen? Do you owe your block to somebody else?

This country belongs to us ALL. If you believe otherwise put your money where your mouth is.... Damn, there should really be a 'crickets' emoji on this site, 'cos that's what's needed. Not one of you would give up your little piece, but you pontificate about us all giving up everything. Well, I won't. Everything changes, and it always will. I'm as Australian as Justin, and , what can I say, he told me to call him an Abo, and everyone will jump on me for doing so, but he was fine with it, I'm as Australian as he is, and I'm older. When are people going to stop being led by the nose by busybody nobodies?? Has everyone lost their individuality? Justin sure hasn't, though I don't see him so much these days.

Mick, if you seriously believe that the rock is a cathedral, I suggest you get out and live with the people you are simplistically championing. They have no concept of cathedral. They don't care about what you think is important. And, most importantly, the people you think are important no longer exist. There are no tribes any more. There sure are no traditional tribes anywhere near the rock. Like it or not, those days have been over for nearly 100 years. If you want to turn back the clock, start with your place.

Its very simple, really.
They used to own the whole country, our ancestors took it off them during the 150-year frontier wars, they got some bits back, and as owners they control who goes there. If we object, tough titty - get used to it!
The Rock is a religious site, so that puts it in exactly the same category as a cathedral.
Oh, don't pee on my land either, unless I give you permission.
Some people could learn a lot by watching the 'First Australians' series on SBS on Demand.

Rather than literature and television, some people could learn a lot more from parties involved with the 'Traditional Owners' in the commercial, mining and development sectors. When I was involved in the late '90s, early 2000s, on a mining site in central Queensland, I have to say that I was somewhat shocked by the lack of interest and knowledge shown by the highly paid, indigenous representatives who had to give the OK to certain areas we needed to access. The same thing happened on a proposed mining site recently with a friend of mine, who is an archaeolologist skilled in aboriginal artifacts. She was pointing out things to the 'Advisers' that they had no idea about. These advisers were on $200 an hour.
Sad, but true.

Originally Posted by bob10

I hope those on their soap box realise this article is purely about the business community in Alice Springs putting forward a suggestion they think will kick start the local economy. Nothing to do with the traditional owners at all. Those who suggest the traditional owners are pushing this in any way shape or form should actually read the article. Some of you have hijacked this thread to push your own agenda. I was hoping for a mature discussion on the proposal , it's merits and drawbacks, but sadly that is still not possible here. And that is sad.

Despite your honourable intentions, I think it is a little naive in this day and age (on a public forum) to think that such an emotional subject would not attract extreme comments.

Originally Posted by pop058

Despite your honourable intentions, I think it is a little naive in this day and age (on a public forum) to think that such an emotional subject would not attract extreme comments.

I agree, and naïve I most certainly must be. We must ask what are the emotions that convince people they have to put forth such diatribe. Jealousy? Hatred ? Or is it just low self esteem , that convinces them to try to foment unrest in society? Or are they just bullies, picking on those they think are beneath them. In this day and age, we should all be above that.

Originally Posted by Saitch

Rather than literature and television, some people could learn a lot more from parties involved with the 'Traditional Owners' in the commercial, mining and development sectors. When I was involved in the late '90s, early 2000s, on a mining site in central Queensland, I have to say that I was somewhat shocked by the lack of interest and knowledge shown by the highly paid, indigenous representatives who had to give the OK to certain areas we needed to access. The same thing happened on a proposed mining site recently with a friend of mine, who is an archaeolologist skilled in aboriginal artifacts. She was pointing out things to the 'Advisers' that they had no idea about. These advisers were on $200 an hour.
Sad, but true.

They would have been no more custodians of the ancestral land than you or I. Some of the best con men I know are aboriginal, made easier by the fact the average white man knows nothing about aboriginal culture. The mining companies can grease a black palm as easy as a white one.

Originally Posted by bob10

I agree, and naïve I most certainly must be. We must ask what are the emotions that convince people they have to put forth such diatribe. Jealousy? Hatred ? Or is it just low self esteem , that convinces them to try to foment unrest in society? Or are they just bullies, picking on those they think are beneath them. In this day and age, we should all be above that.

You (and others) may think contra opinions to yours are diatribe or hatred" (and others make think the same of yours) OR it could be something as simple as they do not share your beliefs. After all the catalyst of this whole thing seems to be what one does or does not believe.