Thread: When is a restoration not one?

Thanks Tote

Never heard of this. I’ll give it a go...

Cheers Simon

Assuming you HAVE got unlimited funds, here's another option.
Don.

You need a chassis number. Everything else can be brand new.

Originally Posted by Don 130

Assuming you HAVE got unlimited funds, here's another option.
Don.

Thanks Don 130, not even a job just now so will just dream..

For many years I judged at car shows, concours, etc. I gave up involvement with clubs over a decade ago. I reckoned I had got too old to tolerate the bull****, politicking, the arguments, the rivet counters.

There are in judging cars several points if view. There can be clean well kept original ones, restorations, reconstructions, replicas. To get 100 points a car needs to be a very recent high quality restoration, absolutely pristine, and using original or NOS parts. Points should be given to an unrestored clean complete original. A reconstruction is a new or recent build of a vehicle that no longer exists using new or old parts, possible newly manufactured parts specific to the purpose. Replicas are just that. Replicas of cars that still do exist but newly made often to a very high standard but not the real thing. There are some differences of opinion. Take the Pur Sang replicas of Bugatti 35 made in Argentina of the highest standard of workmanship. The Bugatti Club no longer permits them in their events taking the point of view that they are not real Bugatti made in Molsheim. Then you have the situation again with Bugatti where there are lots of fakes. Type 40 chassis have been used in recent years to make replica 35, 37, 51. etc. Type 40 have been described as the Molsheim Morris Cowley. They were even sold as baker's vans and one in Brisbane used to deliver newspapers. There are a lot of Bugatti reproduction parts available. Ford T & A can be made anew from new after market parts. There are more Maserati 250F in historic racing than were made. Reventlow Scarabs are also in this class. The amusing happening was at a prestigious British hill climb where two Bugatti were entered. Same model, same chassis and engine numbers and with Certificates of Authenticity from two different clubs. Red faces all around. Manx Norton an be made anew from after market and replica parts. You can tell them apart by the much better quality of castings and machining on the new bits.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

For many years I judged at car shows, concours, etc. I gave up involvement with clubs over a decade ago. I reckoned I had got too old to tolerate the bull****, politicking, the arguments, the rivet counters.

There are in judging cars several points if view. There can be clean well kept original ones, restorations, reconstructions, replicas. To get 100 points a car needs to be a very recent high quality restoration, absolutely pristine, and using original or NOS parts. Points should be given to an unrestored clean complete original. A reconstruction is a new or recent build of a vehicle that no longer exists using new or old parts, possible newly manufactured parts specific to the purpose. Replicas are just that. Replicas of cars that still do exist but newly made often to a very high standard but not the real thing. There are some differences of opinion. Take the Pur Sang replicas of Bugatti 35 made in Argentina of the highest standard of workmanship. The Bugatti Club no longer permits them in their events taking the point of view that they are not real Bugatti made in Molsheim. Then you have the situation again with Bugatti where there are lots of fakes. Type 40 chassis have been used in recent years to make replica 35, 37, 51. etc. Type 40 have been described as the Molsheim Morris Cowley. They were even sold as baker's vans and one in Brisbane used to deliver newspapers. There are a lot of Bugatti reproduction parts available. Ford T & A can be made anew from new after market parts. There are more Maserati 250F in historic racing than were made. Reventlow Scarabs are also in this class. The amusing happening was at a prestigious British hill climb where two Bugatti were entered. Same model, same chassis and engine numbers and with Certificates of Authenticity from two different clubs. Red faces all around. Manx Norton an be made anew from after market and replica parts. You can tell them apart by the much better quality of castings and machining on the new bits.

I'm with you on that. The blokes with the street cars seeing how far they could bend the ADR's without breaking them and then there were the hotrodders where a bloke could spend an arvo on the phone (this was pre internet) and 6 months later be driving a pre '48 car built out of nothing more than 12 months old.

The reality being, if you stamped a cleanskin chassis, or a repair section, who'd know.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

The reality being, if you stamped a cleanskin chassis, or a repair section, who'd know.

Exactly!