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    Pre- purchase Building Inspections - some sort of scam ?

    Pre- purchase Building Inspections - some sort of scam ?, I ask the question because I'm in the process of selling our house of 40 odd years or so so I've never been a party to this process before.


    My agent found a prospective buyer at an agreed price pending a pest and building inspection, so far so good

    A couple of days later a Jims Building Inspections bloke rolled up to check the place out. The house is a 40 year old western red cedar kit home on 5 acres basically sound but in need of some maintenance/upgrades as advertised. I pointed out some of the work required to the Jims bloke and this is when it all became a bit 'interesting'.

    Some twenty odd years ago some damp spots started appearing on the passage plaster roof, the result of water seepage down nails used on the ridge capping that were rising due to age (an inevitable condition with roofing nails and why screws are used now a days). The nails were replaced with screws, there was no damage apart from a couple of mouldy spots which became small holes in the plaster. This damage is quite obvious and was explained to all prospective buyers. Not a biggy I thought, but not so. Aah .......... says Mr Jim, Major Structural Damage, tsk, tsk and a bit of mould to boot. Hmmm responds a surprised Deano, damage yes but structural ? Absolutely responds Mr Jim, err but the plaster is not load bearing responds a now concerned Deano how is it 'structural' ? Mr Jims response floored me ............ "The ceiling is part of the structure therefore it's structural damage" Can't argue with that logic thinks I but doesn't seem right.

    A now slightly rattled Deano shows Jim the meter box made of 1" Oregon to match the WRC weatherboards instead of the more common pressed steel one. Aah, ha ................ exclaims a concerned Mr Jim "it's lined with what could be asbestos sheet" as the potentially terrified Mr Jim mentally reached for his biological suit and breathing apparatus. Not so exclaims a now slightly ****ed off Deano, "all meter boxes are required to be lined with fire proof material and that is definitely not asbestos, I know 'cos I built the bloody thing". I would have thought the texture/softness and colour would have been a bit of a clue here not to mention the fact that asbestos was a banned material back in 1983 when the house was built and had been for at least 10 years. I was starting to seriously doubt Mr Jims competence.

    But the best as they say was yet to come

    Mr Jim goes crawling under the house, pretty easy to do with no bottom boards and a metre of so clearance, tablet in hand taking lots of photos. On exiting Mr Jim calls me over and announces "the whole laundry/bathroom floor has to come up, its had it". Well, Deano descends into mental shock as his chin literally hits the ground and Mr Jim waffles on about cracked floor tiles and water damaged flooring. Mr Jim shaking head drives off into the sunset whilst Deano endeavors to gather his wits.

    Several stiff drinks later and with Deano's blood pressure still way above normal I venture under the house with a hammer and 6" screwdriver to have a look. Definitely old water stains on the tongue and groove floorboards under the laundry but try as I might I couldn't plunge the screwdriver more than 1/2 mm or so into the floorboards anywhere so that was a bit of a relief, no rot anywhere. Mr Jim took one look at the water stained floor boards and the cracked laundry floor tiles, added one and one together and got three. He'd assumed water stained = rotten = movement = cracked tiles therefore floor stuffed which is what he was trying to explain to me whilst I was in a state of shock

    Fortunately there is another explanation which I didn't figure out till the next day after my mental processes has returned Shortly after we'd moved in, say 35 years ago the HWS was located in the laundry and the hot water outlet was plumbed straight through the floor. A small leak/weep developed at a compression fitting at floor level and wept under the house which went unnoticed for some time, hence the water stained floor boards. The cracked floor tiles happened a couple of years later, say 30 years ago when I 'walked' a very heavy commercial washing machine into the laundry cracking the tiles as I pivoted the machine around. SWMBO remembered this event very clearly as I'd buggered her nice new laundry floor tiles She also noted that 30 years later they still were not fixed and that all my stress could have been avoided ......... etc etc.

    So all and all a very traumatic experience. Fortunately for me there are other buyers in the wings if the current purchaser 'pulls the pin' but I'm pretty unimpressed with Mr Jims service and am unsure if he is really serving his clients best interest or playing CYA and his own interests.

    Or is this all a game/scam with the buyer and their inspector trying to 'set the stage' for a reduction in price ? I eagerly await my would be purchasers response


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    I'd report him to the HIA and any other place I could think of. I'm guessing there's no certification to be an inspector like this though so they may not be able to do anything. I would call the agent and tell them the 'Inspector' is a half wit and that you'll not have them around again.

    I eagerly wait the reply from the prospective buyers - please keep us updated.
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    Interesting timing. There was an article in some rag over here recently.

    These housing inspectors do not require a builders licence or even a trade.

    Dodgy as all ****!

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    I've had varying experiences with two inspectors on our stone house built in 1860. The first one was a building inspector that we hired for the pre purchase inspection who gave us a frank description of the condition of the house, 100 year old termite damage and kitchen floor that was completely gone with dry rot having been built with the bearers on the ground in the 1880s. He then caveated it with "It hasnt fallen over in the last 140 years so its not going to tomorrow". He was a tradie and we were very happy with the report.


    A couple of banks have valued it since and have used the same valuer with much less satisfactoy results. This guy did a valuation for the bank when we bought the place with the rotten floors etc and then came back about 10 years later when we went to refinance. We had built a new kitchen and inside bathroom and he valued it for less than we had purchased it for because "its condition had deteriorated" despite the new kitchen, bathroom and 10 years of land value appreciation. He was completely incompetent to value anything that he did not have a comparison with four doors down in the same street. The joys of owning a heritage listed home.........


    So at least some of them are OK but unfortunately you don't always get to pick who does it if a bank or a prospective purchaser is involved. I would suspect that owner built houses are also tarred with the same brush as heritage ones by valuers because they don't have an immediate comparison in the same street and they actually have to use their skills to understand the condition of the house that they are valuing.

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    In the ACT the seller has to provide the building certificate so a seller has a bit more control.
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    If the inspector is not registered or qualified engineer, dont bother letting him in. Especially if your paying the bill. Mind you I had an engineer drawing up some plans for a granny flat , mate, the amount of concrete and reo, I could have put 3 storeys on it.

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    The last house I sold, which was sound, but 40yrs old and always something to pick on in such a house...well I got an offer which was cash and no building inspection required, I took a bit less than I wanted, for those reasons, and the no building inspection was a deciding factor...no need to worry about some fool coming around, picking the house to bits and scaring off a purchaser.

    Maybe that is a tactic now, when putting in an offer! No building inspection....that will lower the price!

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    You have to remember the inspector is working for the buyer , the more he finds the more chance the buyer has of getting the house for a cheaper price.

    I had one of my cars for sale a while back the buyer payed for an inspection , things he came up with doors make click noise when open as the check straps go over the roller , oil leak from rear main , 12 months later there is still no oil at bottom of bell housing, electric aerial is noisy going up & down & head gasket leaking , I have not had to top up the radiator or oil in last year, the leak I think was were the A/C hose had blown & there was a green stain on the block which I pointed out to him . The inspector told me he was very impressed with the 36 year old car , then gave the buyer a report to steer clear of the car. I was in two minds about selling the car & had it listed at a high price & was just testing the water. I decided to keep the car , it is such a nice drive , very original & extremely low K's . These people doing inspections have to cover there ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1950landy View Post
    You have to remember the inspector is working for the buyer , the more he finds the more chance the buyer has of getting the house for a cheaper price.

    I had one of my cars for sale a while back the buyer payed for an inspection , things he came up with doors make click noise when open as the check straps go over the roller , oil leak from rear main , 12 months later there is still no oil at bottom of bell housing, electric aerial is noisy going up & down & head gasket leaking , I have not had to top up the radiator or oil in last year, the leak I think was were the A/C hose had blown & there was a green stain on the block which I pointed out to him . The inspector told me he was very impressed with the 36 year old car , then gave the buyer a report to steer clear of the car. I was in two minds about selling the car & had it listed at a high price & was just testing the water. I decided to keep the car , it is such a nice drive , very original & extremely low K's . These people doing inspections have to cover there ass
    My experience is that these people seize the slightest excuse to find a big problem that seems to only exist in their minds.

    Recently had an inspection done on this old (Circa 1900)house for a couple of cracked bricks caused when the tilers smashed 7 bells out of the single leaf bathroom wall ready for re-tiling a few years ago.

    First off the line was a general builder who spent 1/2 hour here.

    2nd was Building engineer who spent about an hour & took lots of images on his phone for other parts of the house. ?????

    3rd was a Plumber with all the all singing all dancing inspection Cameras, instrumentation. Says one thing & tells the INS Co another.


    All the above three supplied extensive reports which didn't sound like they were even talking about our gaff but some strangers.

    The house has large Sandstone footings with the single red Brick leaf sitting on top & it on a concrete slab obvious that in 120 years some settlement has occurred. They all blamed the type of soil from Drought to Wet Winters & all inspections were paid for by the Insurance Co ( ie. us in our premiums)

    If we have to pay for repairs it will be with a friend who specialises in Restoring old Brick & Stone Workshops & Barns to a very high standard, throughout the hills.

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    Sometimes even the buyer is dudded.
    My daughter bought a house in Saratoga a few months ago.
    She and I attended when the building inspector made his inspection. He was a charming young man who seemed to know his stuff.
    Under the house had an exhaust fan which rang alarm bells to me, however he said all OK as there was no mould on the wood!
    The house is on a block sloping down from the road with no gutters so blind Freddie could see that in heavy rain, water would run off the road to the house.( guess what?)
    My daughter subsequently found that all the terracotta pipes from the bathrooms were so far gone they could not be lined, and needed to be replaced at $4K.
    This was the source of some of the damp.
    Also the downpipes from the top corner of the house just ended about 3metres on the high side of the house.

    I counselled to be cautious but my daughter had been gazumped on several properties and desperately wanted a house, any house.
    So it goes the other way also.
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