Master
SubscriberNo not at all, for starters I can only drive one at a time so no increase in emissions, the old Disco 1 would be the least polluting because it is constantly recycled not turned to waste and 99% of its running is on LPG, look up the exhaust emissions if you need to.Originally Posted by trout1105
Hmmm.
Coming from someone that owns two large 4WD's that are used recreationally seems somewhat hypocritical
Are you implying anyone with a 4wd is an environmental disaster?
All I was pointing out was on one hand severe actions were warranted and justified to save a few yet to save a much bigger long term issue was questionable
Discovery 1 4.6, true trac front and rear, superior engineering arms,old tourer now bush toy
Discovery 4 3.0 HSE MY13 ECB Bull bar, winch, spot lights, aux fuel tank, Kaymar rear bar, duel wheel carriers, 18 tuff ant wheels 265/65/18 BFG KO2's for play
Very Very Lucky!
EPA vic report is for cars not maintained and honestly should not be on the road at all with out repairs and required maintenance. Well maintained is not a focus of EPA happily. To pick on legal vehicles untill we have several affordable replacement options would be stupid i.m.o.
OldBushie
SupporterWhat I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.Are you implying anyone with a 4wd is an environmental disaster?
You only get one shot at life, Aim well
2004 D2 "S" V8 auto, with a few Mods gone
2007 79 Series Landcruiser V8 Ute, With a few Mods.
4.6m Quintrex boat
20' Jayco Expanda caravan gone
Swaggie
Some may have an EV they use most of the time,and a larger 4WD for touring,and going places a 4WD is needed,and the EV is not suitable.What I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.
And have a house that runs off the grid.
Everyone's situation is different.
OldBushie
SupporterI am talking about "Recreational"use and lets face the facts that there are not too many 4WD's on australian roads that are EV's.
You only get one shot at life, Aim well
2004 D2 "S" V8 auto, with a few Mods gone
2007 79 Series Landcruiser V8 Ute, With a few Mods.
4.6m Quintrex boat
20' Jayco Expanda caravan gone
Very Very Lucky!
Not yet and do not forget about FCEV as well as BEV coming soon just not yet as usual- I had felt exactly that way waiting for my MGevIt does not replace my Disco for the things it is needed for
Options just might see it replaced before it does the magic 500,000km?
ForumSage
SupporterUnless it runs on biodiesel, baby!What I am impling is that Anyone that owns a large 4WD as a recreational vehicle has no buisness playing the "Green Card" about saving the enviroment.
2005 D3 TDV6 Present
1999 D2 TD5 Gone
OldBushie
SupporterI wasn't aware that bio diesel had Zero emmissions and a Zero carbon footprint
But then again with the price of diesel at the moment making your own bio diesel is starting to look mighty attractive
You only get one shot at life, Aim well
2004 D2 "S" V8 auto, with a few Mods gone
2007 79 Series Landcruiser V8 Ute, With a few Mods.
4.6m Quintrex boat
20' Jayco Expanda caravan gone
Wizard
Not sure there is a power source in use today that has zero emissions and a zero carbon footprintI wasn't aware that bio diesel had Zero emmissions and a Zero carbon footprint[]
Wizard
SupporterRemember some years ago the revalation that the plant materials for the "bio" part of your diesel was grown on land previously used to grow food crops. As the bio diesel ingredients were getting a better price than the locals could pay for the food, the bio won and the locals lost their land.
A big yoke like a Defender may seem less friendly to the environment than the newer cars. I do not see anything "green" in taking a good sound Defender off the road just to replace it with a newer car like electric, bev, newer petrol or diesel simply for the sake of it. Fair enough if the Defender suffers a major accident and is written off so be it then buy the new modern car. The amount of mining, processing and using ever decreasing resources for batteries, car bodies, plastics etc should be taken into account when a new car is given a "green" label. The new cars have to be transported here by a fossil fuel powered ship. Transported on fossil fuel powered trucks to get to the fancy show room. All of this should be placed against the carbon footprint of newer "green" cars. How about people driving their new "greener" cars to the airport and getting on a plane to fly to a foreign country. They do not see the irony in that. Me, I have never been on an airplane so I like to think I have some "green" credits built up. Also I wonder how long owners will keep their new "greener" car before replacing it with a newer, more "efficient" one? What's that going to do for the environment? Who will buy a second hand electric or bev car when the tv ads will be telling them how much better and "greener" the new model is? So if the car you have has run it's course then fair enough replace it but don't just replace it to keep up with the latest trend.
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