Thread: Test Driving New Landrovers

I disagree Inc,

There's more than just viewpoints in Jojo's post (eg references to 'real' Land Rovers and 'electrics' - how many times do we have to put with that chestnut!). It maybe that he has simply engaged his typing fingers before his brain (as I did with the comment that I withdrew ) but that does not negate the comments.

It is not a matter that he is an affluent professional, or that he is intelligent. That was never an issue. From my point-of-view Drivesafe was right, some of the comments were rants and not learned observations.

It is a matter that his particular post and those of some others on this site that constantly put down Discovery 3's and other new model Land Rovers, from an extremely limited knowledge base.

I'm sorry (and somewhat embarrassed) that I made the comment I did, but the emotion remains. I personnally have had enough of these sort of 'bandwagon' comments.

Originally Posted by Grizzly_Adams

It's getting into summer inc. Heat definately doesn't bring out the best in people. I heard once that up northern Australia (some of our Darwinites perhaps can confirm this?) that summer has a specific disease called "Gone Troppo" - it's basically frayed tempers etc. from the heat. Murders / anger attacks go up something stoopid like 400% during summer

By the way inc. you got that pricelist yet?

Grizzly,

as a former (sigh) Darwinite, I can confirm your thesis. It comes on with the wet season buildup - which is definitely one of those things that has to be endured to be believed. People do go 'troppo'. Think that I have also heard of it referred to as 'mango fever' or something similar. ('cause it coincides with the mango season

Cheers

MT

Again, like Jamo, I too am fed up with people knocking what is the best thing LR have turned out in decades.

Are we to believe that while Jojo was test driving the D3, all the electronics played up or was he just parroting the views of others.

Jojo is just the latest of a long LONG line of knockers who, quite simply have no idea of what they are talking about.

If he had experienced a problem while test driving the D3 then lets hear about it but to simply run this vehicle down because SOMEONE ELSE reckoned it was no good is not good enough.

And this comment is a pearler, to quote “ Maybe it's just as well, as most of the other participants were people with more money in their pockets than grey matter within their skull who buy LR because it's fashionable and never will take them off sealed roads (okay, maybe a gravel track down to the golf course). “ end of quote. What does this have to do with the ability of LRs.

Maybe I am a bit over the top but I think we are owed an apology rather than being held responsible for some mythical demise of LR.

I have made my point - and others have made their points both for and against and that is what the forum is about. Being a Freelander driver I often have to bite my tongue when I read some of the comments about them, mainly from other Landrover owners - so I can understand the frustration of some members. Lets have ding dong arguments but lets do it in a fashion that if we were around a campfire we would still be happy to have a beer together.

Now back to the post - I will make a point that I have made before - very few people are buying traditional landrovers (defenders) in Australia any more - just look at the sales figures. Landrover is not in the business of making 4wd vehicles - they in the business of making money and profit for stakeholders - making 4wds is just the means to an end. If Landrover just made "traditional" 4wds they would have gone out of business years ago. That was why the Freelander was launched - there is nothing wrong with the concept - the execution in design and build was its undoing.

I am not sure I share Jojo's views but I haven't driven most of the vehicles mentioned - the vehicles we have are the result of legislated requirements and the desires of the majority of buyers - not those weird and wacko people on AULRO - it is a shame though.



Gazzz

have the argument without the personality attacks.

last warning....

Take a 03ish Range Rover Vouge for example, new price of say the 4.4 is what $101k (+options) or so back then, now what are they about $70k, i tell you i would rather prefer that to a new cruiser for the money, hey a new cruiser sahahra 4.2TD is edging over the $100k barrier these days, and what a Range Rover Vouge 4.4 could still be had for under $110k, no offence but i think the people who can afford to buy/run cars of this stature could probably stretch the 10k. I guess it all comes down to the life you choose to live, i know some people who have squillions of dollars, but wil drive around in $30-40k cars, however i know people on ay 100k salarys that drive around in $80,000 cars. BMW X5 4.4i Sport, a car i absolutly love, i have only ever spen a week with one in my posession, and are a great car, however was a car built to meet the wants of buyres, thus x-drive isnt the most capapble of 4wding system, it has no problem with you beach mild bush trips, but start getting a little wilder and it could all get a bit scary. - some people say they will get bogged on a wet soccer field, its just not the most capable suv out there, a Range Rover however, yeah, if i could afford to spend $140k on a new vouge, yeah i'd take it off the bitumen - why - becasue i would have enough money to fix the thing if something were to go pear shaped. i also know people who drive around in HSV's, you pull up next to them in the new BMW, and they go pwah, nice car man - i wish i coudl have one - they spent mor eon their holden than we did on the BMW, im talking $95k Coupe4s and the like, conpared to E46 320i M-Tech Sport at at a slither under $80k. Its what you choose to drive, some peope dont take their $35k suzukis off road. Its just a public perception...and have you thought... some people dont even own these cars, they owe nearly all of it to the bank, why- becasue its bling - bling isnt a fashion, its a way of life. Its keeping up with the jones'

Hopefully by the time im 35-40 the L322 Vouge 4.4i will be at the price of a P38a is now - so i can buy one!

Originally Posted by Jamo

I disagree Inc,

There's more than just viewpoints in Jojo's post (eg references to 'real' Land Rovers and 'electrics' - how many times do we have to put with that chestnut!). It maybe that he has simply engaged his typing fingers before his brain (as I did with the comment that I withdrew ) but that does not negate the comments.

It is not a matter that he is an affluent professional, or that he is intelligent. That was never an issue. From my point-of-view Drivesafe was right, some of the comments were rants and not learned observations.

It is a matter that his particular post and those of some others on this site that constantly put down Discovery 3's and other new model Land Rovers, from an extremely limited knowledge base.

I'm sorry (and somewhat embarrassed) that I made the comment I did, but the emotion remains. I personnally have had enough of these sort of 'bandwagon' comments.

its their right to put down whatever they like if it is their opinion.

i may not agree but i will fight for their right to say it without being burnt at the stake for saying it..

you may not agree either, so be it. win your argument with facts and fiqures.. or ignore them, it is not acceptable to attack a person because they have a different view, or suffer from some percieved jealousy because they dont have something you have, FFS... how low can you go without saying it is personal?

stick to facts figures and views about the vehicles, reducing the argument to personality attacks, assumptions and generalisations does nothing for any side of the discussion...

shakes head and wanders off ....

Originally Posted by drivesafe

what is the best thing LR have turned out in decades.

thats YOUR opinion, a bucket load of people would argue the point. everyone has views .... bloody boring world if we were all the same...

is it any more or less acceptable for me to infer you are an arrogant rich ***** because you have a late model landy than it is for you to reduce the argument to aspertions that he is jealous cause he cant or wont buy a late model landy like you have?


discuss all you want, tis good!

but dont take the easy way out and reduce the argument to personalities FFS!