Thread: Test Driving New Landrovers

Originally Posted by incisor

you may not agree either, so be it. win your argument with facts and fiqures..

stick to facts figures and views about the vehicles, reducing the argument to personality attacks, assumptions and generalisations does nothing for any side of the discussion...

Well, I thought I made it clear that I shouldn't have posted the comment that I removed (and apologised for same), but as for the rest of your post, are you telling me to stick to facts and figures or the originating poster?

everyone actually, i certainly wasnt singleing you out .......

Jojo, i dont think you can really judge these vehicles as harshly as you have after a bit of a test drive, the D3, whilst having the tyre underneath, is in its element off road, the tyre underneath is to help with rear visibility and remove stress from the rear door. The RRS is a top piece of kit, and it appears that many people want one, its boosted sales of Land Rovers in Australia considerably. Sure most people who buy the RR dont take it off road, but it can and does it well thats all that matters, the option is there if you want it. I to was impressed with the new freelander at the motor show, and would seriously consider buying one if i had the cash. My suggestion is actually take these vehicles off road before you hang **** on them, your opinion will changed, i know mine did. matt

Ok!

you may not agree either, so be it. win your argument with facts and fiqures.. or ignore them, it is not acceptable to attack a person because they have a different view, or suffer from some percieved jealousy because they dont have something you have, FFS... how low can you go without saying it is personal?

stick to facts figures and views about the vehicles, reducing the argument to personality attacks, assumptions and generalisations does nothing for any side of the discussion...

Mate couldn't agree with you more but ............

I'm glad I saved some real Landrovers already, and hopefully they will last a lifetime, as the present models don't have much in common with what Landrover used to stand for (and, exactly for this reason, don't appeal to me).

and

Maybe it's just as well, as most of the other participants were people with more money in their pockets than grey matter within their skull who buy LR because it's fashionable and never will take them off sealed roads (okay, maybe a gravel track down to the golf course).

I think you will find that is what riled, I know myself up and having read some of the threads, riled some others up as well. Appreciate you dont mince your words mate , but if you post stuff like that, opinion or not, then others have the right to express as well , within reason of course,

Regards

Stevo lover of all LR's whatever ya poison

Yeas, I was starting to think that this site was getting a little Orwellian.

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others"

Originally Posted by Jamo

Yeas, I was starting to think that this site was getting a little Orwellian.

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others"

You only just noticed that

NOTE*****THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY IT IS NOT INTENDED TO OFFEND,
OR SUGGEST ANYTHING YOUR READING OF THIS OPINION
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Oh bother, one post and so much grief and anger!!
Let me one thing get straight first: this post was not meant to offend anyone! If anyome is offended it’s basically his/her personal choice!!! Especially as neither of you has been present at the event and therefore haven’t been included in my statement. But anyone is free to put on the boot that fits, right???

This post was simply a statement of my feelings after what I was being able to observe at the occasion mentioned. My comment about the people attending was mainly based on overheard conversations and dialogues of some other participants. As it was pouring down all day (that’s why I have no pics yet, Pedro! I drowned my camera a while ago already and hope now the ones a mate took will be suffice. I’ll post them when he has sent them over to me) we were standing rather crowded in the few sheltered areas so there was not much I could do to avoid listening to others. Incidentally, my feelings were shared by some other participants with an attitude similar to mine. And even we spoke freely about our point of view!
The one thing I should have done better in my first post was referring to the other group as “some” instead of “many”, as I wrongly did, as there were several decent people present as well. I mustn’t generalise. Mea culpa…

Some of my “disappointment” resulted from the fact that I figured my invitation was based on my activities in the regional Landrover community, which it obviously wasn’t. I now rather figure I was targeted as I fit into the income group of people able to afford those vehicles. As in our country your income is a public affair anyone is free to phone the taxation office, or even my employer if its known, and request to have access to my income, which cannot be denied (likewise, for instance, anyone who knows the registration number on my car can obtain information if I paid the annual road tax). Only trouble is, even if I can afford the purchase I rather put the money into the education of my children, family investments or similar activities, just a matter of priority. So basically it was a marketing rather than a Landrover event, as I had imagined.

As for the D3 facts… well, anyone is of course free to have his/her own opinon and beliefs. I am not going to challenge this and not trying to convince anyone. I just and only want to share my views, and as those they can be discussed. I am, as always, open for criticism and even willing to convince myself to the better, as has happened with my opinion about the new Freelander during the event mentioned. Even if it would only have been this fact it would have been worth going there!!!
Anyway, in my opinion the D3 has been getting as far from the original concept as imaginable. To me, a Landrover always has been an allround or multi-purpose vehicle. The new ones simply aren’t in this category any longer. The original concept was to offer a vehicle that could be used as a work horse and everyday means of family transport. Even the classic RR could –at least partly- match this description. Now, show me where the present vehicles can fit in here??? Try to convert e.g. a Disco for overland travel or expedition for instance: a D1 will need a roof rack, some extra lights and probably some other tyres. The D2 will maybe need some protection to the fuel filter at ther rear axle on top of that. What will the D3 need???? A service vehicle?
The upward opening rear door is simply not to my liking, a matter of personal peference. On a car like a LR I feel this simply doesn’t make sense to me. And I cannot remember I had problems with items falling out of the door aperture when opening. But I respect your opinon and accept your point, this is what the post was all about!

No, the D3 I was driving didn’t have any electrical toubles …yet! The car was brand new, having only covered about 1.500 Kms, so even given LR’s reputation one wouldn’t expect anything to go off at this point. But my experience tells me otherwise. I own/have owned some 6 or 7 Landrovers over the years and all of them had electrical troubles. Even the TombRaider as the most recent of my line-up!!! Given the menace it caused on the rather simple electrics of the earlier models I don’t want to imagine the havoc it will cause when something goes wrong in one of the more modern models. Which reminds me that I will have to immobilise the immobiliser on the Tombraider before it immobilises me at an inconvenient occasion…

In some of the replies to my previous post reference was made to other manufacturer’s products and their equipment. This is astounding in so far as I never considered far-Eastern products to be the benchmark at which a Landrover has to be measured.
Remember: I am not trying to talk anybody off a vehicle, be it a LR of of Japanese origin. I respect the individual choice of yours, I wouldn’t call anyone names for driving either a D3, RR or HiLux, I simply don’t care. I rather hear positive comments or encouraging, like for instance that the spare underneath the car doesn’t necessarily have to be a disadvantage. I once had a Citroen (I loved it), but the spare underneath was a pain in a specified lower back area. So even if not owning a D3 right now I, at least to some part, am not without a clue or understanding of the situation.

Okay, that’s it from my side. No offence taken. And remember, the original post was by no means an attempt to rant!!! And, no, I am not disappointed at all about having been there, having learned about the new Freelander. It reflects, in my opinion, right now the closest call to the original LR idea of an universal vehicle. I’ll just give it a year or so before buying one for my better half as I want to get the inevitable niggles sorted out before committing myself to a long-term relationship with it. And then I cannot wait to see and drive the new Defender, which still should possess the original LR spirit, despite the demise of the vent flaps L L. And no, I’m most likely not going to buy one, no spare space in the garage…

Well then, up to a more constructicve discussion!!!
Gosh, the sun must have been hot Down Under lately!!
Cheers, mates!