Yes, Electriconic components do not wear at the rate of mechanical and the D3 utilises a lot of fibre optics, which wear even less.
Not workable in the long term??? I would suggest that the long term will see cars being diagnosed remotely, even repaired that way. The days of the bush mechanic will be replaced by the bush hacker ...........Jamo's point about system intelligence is very valid and like I have stated I believe the D3 is a forerunner in this area. The issue is that at present any system relying on so much technology without the support structure in place is not workable in the long term.
To the present, your argument relies on the D3 software/electrics being as vunerable as non-owner fixible mechanic issuess of present-day Rovers. And my point is that there is no evidence of this. You are more likely (in my experience) to break a non-fixible mechanical component on a D1/Rangie/Defender than get a show-stopping software issue on a D3 (based on current data). Like it or not, electronic systems are less prone to failure than mechanical systems, providing their operational parameters are not exceeded. And that's where driver education steps in.
Cheers,
Gordon
Yes, Electriconic components do not wear at the rate of mechanical and the D3 utilises a lot of fibre optics, which wear even less.
Originally Posted by Ace
Ace, if you ever get up my way, I’ll give you a drive of the D3 and RR.
Cheers.
Just how far into the D3 brains can you get with the canbus ?
ie: can you customise and over-ride body / suspension stuff ?? It would be cool to actually regain complete control of a D3 beastie.
canbus has been around in industry for quite a few years now, someone must have some d3 hacks ?
Thanks drivesafe, Stacey reckons i have a shocking memory, but i wont be foregetting that offer. MattOriginally Posted by drivesafe
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Firstly let me say that yes I don't own a D3 and secondly I have been unable to test drive one (thanks to some very, very dodgy salesman at several LR dealers around the country...but thats another story).Originally Posted by drivesafe
If you re-read my posts you will note that I don't bag the electronics, rather I am concerned that there evolution hasn't completed yet. Someone else mentioned that they reset themselves to a reasonable extent, great! There are still issues with any electronics on vehicles at present and the main issue is they need (in the case of the some vehicles) dealer specific software. I don't want to think how much Testbook would cost, I'm looking down the barrel of $3K for Rovacom lite for my Td5. I would love to own a D3, but my geographical location makes it prohibitively costly. Would you ship (i.e. by sea) your car to a dealer every time it needs to be serviced?
No there is nothing wrong with the D3, it is ahead of its time, but there is still an evolution in progress.
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Past: 97 D1 Tdi, 03 D2a Td5, 08 Kimberley Kamper, 08 Defender 110 TDCi, 99 Defender 110 300Tdi[/SIZE]
20 years ago, as automotive electronics was finally starting to take off, one of the arguments being use to get the auto makers to increase their use of electronics in vehicles, was the fact that the electronics ( back then ) was 100x more reliable than the mechanical counterparts.Originally Posted by Jamo
So how many times better are they now, probably around 1000x more reliable.
The D3 mechanically is practically unbreakable from what the magazines have said, i think over engineered was one comment, if that is the case and a few electronic gremlins is all that may be encountered off road then i thinks thats a good thing. Matt
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I’ll be down your way sometime next year, I want to get some video of train operations through the Rat Holes, so if you don’t mind slumming, I’ll have the RR.Originally Posted by Ace
Cheers.
I'm sure they are and I don't know how many mechanics I've heard say that now days they're training is more computer related on new vehicles.Originally Posted by drivesafe
Didn't realise there was fibre optics on the D3 (luckily they nolonger use glass fibre). All adds to reliability.
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Past: 97 D1 Tdi, 03 D2a Td5, 08 Kimberley Kamper, 08 Defender 110 TDCi, 99 Defender 110 300Tdi[/SIZE]
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