Thread: 4WD myths, facts and stats

Originally Posted by twitchy

Of course one should be able to buy & drive what they like, but in MAJOR cioties whats the point of a "TAR ONLY" fourby???? Pose Value?? realisticly it is a hinderance more than a help. Not a size issue, a damage to others issue. Feel safe factor???? Buy a Bloody Volvo!! They make a nice all wheel drive

While I sort of see what you are getting at I just cant see where you draw the line on that one. I think the point is we are human and work our butts of to do cool things and if someone thinks driving around in a 4WD is cool then more power to them I say, if they earn it.

I mean outside of an individuals wants or expectations,,, the reality is. that any family of four in anything bigger than a classic mini is already into the realms of "whats the point". I mean you dont buy a 2 tonne six cylinder fully equipped something to just transit around the city,, because that would be looking for the poser factor, but there are lots of falcodores out there.
You could argue that if you wanted a capable fwd that you seriously get dirty,, you could probably be more realistic and do most with a ZOOK, but we chose a big heavy ,comfortable, nice looking, Land rover. most Offroaders (NISSOTA DRIVERS) might even say that we are just sfter the Poser factor when off road in our Toorak Tracterrors

If cant afford two nice cars, but want the freedom to go anywhere anytime(even once a year). you cant very well buy a family buzz box and expect it to go off road on the other hand you can get your off road to go in the city easy. And sheezzs imagine the size of the carparks just outside the city limits.

I am glad that we have and take the choice to drive what we want.

I rarely drive the landrover in the city, if it is it's because I have to go in while the Mrs is at work, I used to take the Jeep as it was more car like than the Landy but I suppose it's still 4wd so I was wrecking the roads and interfering with where the cyclists want to go while driving something shorter in hight and length than a Territory or a Crysler van thingy which are both 2wd and less of a problem than the white courier vans that I used to drive in the city as well.

Then while were kicking things out of the city for the cyclists sake, why not trams and busses, both of which have very little respect for cyclists or pedestrians and only have little cars in there, no couriers or trucks or why not just ban everyone from the city all together and make it a national park.

This is a stupid argument that will never have an end, if you have a problem with the traffic in the city, dont drive in the city.

If you have seen what a commodore can do to a pedestrian and 60kmh then you would know that it probably doesnt really matter if you have a bullbar/4wd or a truck or a mini, they all do bad enough damage to kill someone at anything above 40kmh and you can see more from a 4wd so it's actually less likely to hit a pedestrian or cyclist.

There will be plenty of this is what some joker from some uni said in his study of these numbers but unless you see it yourself and hear the bones breaking when thier head hits the ground, you then realise all this is Bullsh!t and this debate doesnt matter, at all.

I drive a 4wd and I use it off road, we also have a Carolla that we use as my wifes car for running to work in traffic as I dont like driving the Landy in traffic but thats my prefference.

Im not saying that all of you should drive your 4b's in the city, but it shouldnt be that someone can tell us that we cant.

People ask me all the time why I need a 4wd, and why it's so dirty and disgusting all the time. I have to admit, quite a bit of my driving is what you'd call city now, the central coast roads are pretty congested these days and carrying the bulk of a larger vehicle probably does intimidate quite a few drivers. Too bad my driveway isn't quite so accomodating as theirs:



And it's like that -after- two weeks of no rain. There are days when my Rodeo (a 2wd) just doesn't even make it at all...

So sorry to say that the city is stuck with my cars, whether they like it or not... And honestly, for all the rave about fitting into car parks...I laugh, I truely do, when I see a Charade or an Excel double parked next to the LR.

This isn't a case of what to drive at all, but realistically -who- is driving...

Bullsh!t!!! I actually use my four wheel drive off road as it was designed to be

err so what!!! my point is just because you do! why does it mean that everyone else that doesn't is a wa@nker as you so nicely put it, just because there designed for it doesn't mean people have to

if i have a garage and decided to put my car on the drive does that make me a wa@ker

as well it's also an issue with others not being able to see more than one car

okkkkkkayyyy......so is this not the same for any other transit van, truck or even bus

but in MAJOR cioties whats the point of a "TAR ONLY" fourby????

why a major city why not any built up area which i'm sure even most people that off road have to drive though???
and how do you not know that the people driving the fourby's dont have boats or caravans to pull hence the fourby's

i'm not arguing the pedestrian safety aspect of course a fourby will cause more damage but no more than a truck or a bus so maybe a MAJOR city should be pedestrian only!!! then everyone is safe..........

Originally Posted by mcrover

Thats fine quiggers but if he got in with one of these blokes, it would change the his attitude towards them in a big way.

If he should be angry at anyone it should be the governments that A. Stopped the rail network and B. for not putting in more arterial roads that actually work.

How about nobody have a hatered of any road users other than the antisocial type and show respect for the good truckies and report the bad ones.

This I think would be much more sensible than having back to back freight trains running on already full tracks and having train accidents that do 10s of millions of $ damage if they have an accident and grind everything to a halt for weeks on end until the line is cleared and repaired.

Im sure John is a good bloke, Im not having a personal go at him as a person (he does drive a Landy, must be a good bloke), I just dont agree with his Idea of having a dig at something that cant change and in some cases shouldnt be changed.

My favourite hate has started an interesting back and forth banter. Quiggers thanks for your support, others probably class me as a lunatic.
Mc R riding in a truck would not change my opinion of them, i am quite emphatic, I believe the BIG trucks should not be on the road. They don't worry me when i drive, they get too close I get too slow, and the fingers do the dialling, very simple.
It might be ok down in vic but up here the buggers heading north may be on the 10th or 12th hour of driving, havne;t you heard of the second log book. Hardly just woke up and and being alert. But thats all bye the bye, i know about the goods and freight and so on, but a couple of bad incidents have cursed my views on trucks, firstly I had the front of my car clipped by a truck coming down mount Victoria in the fog many years ago, the only reason I am still here is being younger with quicker reflexes, I swerved in time and went into the ditch, truck kept on going, second one my best mates daughter was killed when a truck drove straight into her car, his defense for the culpable drive, he had narcolepsy. good defence and he got off with a fine. Incidently Bill , her father died on saturday and his funeral is tomorrow and I am giving the eulogy. Ca of the prostate.

more ranting,

thank you

john

Originally Posted by twitchy

I have always been a firm believer of no place in the city for 4wheel drives, yes I know I own one, Unless they actually get dirty, properly!~! Just can't stand ******* who buy one & never use it, up here they are Kenmore Tractors.....

Well, that'd be me. I rarely ever get the chance to go 4WDing.

I can't afford another car for me to drive in the city, so the RR is my daily driver and I like driving it in preference to my wife's Forester.

A Tarago is no less imposing than my 4WD so if someone has one of those but doesn't have lots of kids does that make them a ******?

If someone always drives with no more than one passenger, should they be in a two-seater?

I don't care what anyone drives. If they can afford it and they like it, it is their business, not yours or anyone else's.

I'd hate to be forced to drive what you think I should drive.

We still have the semblance of a democracy (at the moment).

Ron

Originally Posted by Relay

People ask me all the time why I need a 4wd, and why it's so dirty and disgusting all the time. I have to admit, quite a bit of my driving is what you'd call city now, the central coast roads are pretty congested these days and carrying the bulk of a larger vehicle probably does intimidate quite a few drivers. Too bad my driveway isn't quite so accomodating as theirs:

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This isn't my driveway - its the road half a kilometre from my front gate.....

Originally Posted by JDNSW

This isn't my driveway - its the road half a kilometre from my front gate.....

It's about time you levelled it!



Then sent the council a bill.

Ron