Rudds apology

**Redback** · 13th February 2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by duncanw

this is what the apology should have been

AUSTRALIAN APOLOGY TO THE ABORIGINAL POPULATION

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care, which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.

We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the English language and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation, thought and enterprise.

We feel that we must apologise for building hundreds of homes for you, which you have vandalised and destroyed.

We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.

We apologise for developing large farms and properties, which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and starving during droughts.

We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabric to replace that animal skins you used before.

We apologise for building roads and railway tracks between cities and building cars so that you no longer have to walk over harsh terrain.

We apologise for paying off your vehicle when you fail to pay the instalments

We apologise for giving you free travel anywhere, whenever.

We apologise for giving each and every member of your family $100.00 and free travel to attend an aboriginal funeral.

We apologise for not charging you rent on any lands when white people have to pay.

We apologise for giving you interest free loans.

We apologise for developing oil wells and minerals, including gold and diamonds which you never used and had no idea of their value.

We apologise for developing Ayers rock and Kakadu, and handing them over to you so that you get all the money.

We apologise for allowing taxpayers money paid towards daughters' wedding ($8,000.00 each daughter)

We apologise for giving you $1.7 billion per year for your 250,000 people, which is $48,000.00 per aboriginal man, woman and child.

We apologise for working hard to pay taxes that finance your welfare, medical care, education, etc to the tune of $1.2 billion each year.

We apologise for you having to approach the aboriginal affairs department to verify the above figures. For the trouble you will have identifying the "uncle toms" in your own community who are getting richer and leaving some of you living in squalor and poverty.

We do apologise. We really do.

We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins.

We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.

Originally Posted by d3funct

I voted for John Howard, since I've been old enough, my family since 1996.

I could not be prouder of him today, for sticking to his guns and not being a part of todays "theatrics".

This is what made him a great leader of our nation, he gave the finger to political correctness and did what he believed to be right for Australia.

KRudd, the elected "leader" of today, gives the finger to our nations needs, and follows the cheap votes.

Well done voters, well done.

Unbelievable, take a bow the pair of you

**87County** · 13th February 2008, 09:10 PM

try this article and ....

Kevin Rudd says sorry - National - smh.com.au

chance for a new page in our history as they say, people

I'm sure that compensation (if any) is quite affordable

**Sprint** · 13th February 2008, 09:28 PM

1: why should they get compensation? they want equality, if they want money, they can work like the rest of us

2: anyone else wonder what wouldve happened if say, one of our asian neighbors had colonised australia instead of the brits? there wouldnt be any sorry days, no apologies, no compensation, no "stolen" generation, nothing like that...... why? theres a VERY good chance there wouldnt be any aboriginals to say sorry to

am i sorry? what for?

tombraider · 13th February 2008, 09:38 PM

Who's going to say sorry to all the Liverpool? children who were taken to Australia around the same time?

No-one...

This was a total waste of time and taxpayers ....

kRudd does not represent me in this nation...

Now he's recognised that the "land belongs to the indigenous" who's going to be happy when they come and claim back their land that your house is on?

Its very simple people... The older residents of this place are part of a conquered race....

Like what has happened in many other places throughout the world...

Deal with it people....

And how far advanced would these people be if explorers hadnt come here? They seem to sure enjoy the benefits of modern society...

**barney** · 13th February 2008, 09:46 PM

Krudd's so called "motion" that was actually a speech, i thought was formulated to make the evil white man feel good about himself again.
i reckon although a lot of people shunned brendan nelson's speech, his was the closest to the truth.i didn't vote for Krudd and i am glad to see that my judgement was right. with this and Kyoto, he will send this country broke!
back in the day, there would have been an element of racism involved. as nelson said, they probably were under the misguided impression they were doing what was best for these children.
hindsight shows us what a ridiculous policy it was to take half-caste children away from their parents. white Australia were told they weren't accepted by their extended families.
this was also the era when we were heavily under british direction and influenced by their policies. testing nuclear bombs in our back yard for instance.
i cannot be held responsible for the actions of my forefathers, and i have nothing to be $orry about.
i do see that what happened to these poor little kids was wrong and whatever it takes, steps should be made to make restitution.
compensation has lost it's meaning in this day and age, these days it seems it's meaning is closer to "shut up" money.
how can you compensate someone for this sort of regime? i suppose everyone has their price!
i don't know how the majority of aboriginal people feel about this, the rent-a-crown we saw on the news may not be indicative of the wider aboriginal community. i hope i'm wrong and it magically fixes everything.
there are members of this forum and the LROC that will be directly affected by this, some of them i know and would call friends, and i hope for their sake, this day makes a difference to them.
it's people like Mick Dodson that will ruin it for everyone and spoil any hope of reconcilliation that may have been in the sights today.

**roverrescue** · 13th February 2008, 09:54 PM

Surely if one makes the argument that by saying sorry, compensation will be forthcoming. Then the theoretical possibility of a court of law granting compensation in a specific case would denote that a wrong had been done. If a wrong had been done, worthy of said compensation, then surely an apology for such action is a fundamental human decency.

If I was a low life oxygen thief who stole your pride and joy D3 from your drive, then crashed it, you sure as hell would want me to be sorry... wouldnt you??? (this is not directed at an individual, merely an illustration)

When human beings are wronged, there is an inbuilt desire and need for justice. An apology is a part of that.

By the above argument, if no compensation is granted, that will indicate either that no wrong was ever done or that the "victim" has accepted said apology, forgiven and moved on. Only time will tell which will occur in this case.

I hope that today is a part of all australians taking part in:

"Deal with it people...."

regards
Steve

btw, i have just finished listening to the 55min video link on the abc.net.com.au, was worth listening too irrespective of your take on this issue.

**Lotz-A-Landies** · 13th February 2008, 09:55 PM

Will the relatives of "The Man" apologise to me for the stolen camera and other items from my car.

I got the camera back when I "made a citizens arrest" of one of the perpetrators but not anything else or the damage to the locks on my Rangie. Although the one who was arrested wanted an apology from me, actually she wanted me arrested for restraining her. Yes she was a first cousin of "The Man".

Will they also apologise to me for the several episodes of fare evasion when I was driving a taxi?

Diana

**Slunnie** · 13th February 2008, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Surely if one makes the argument that by saying sorry, compensation will be forthcoming. Then the theoretical possibility of a court of law granting compensation in a specific case would denote that a wrong had been done. If a wrong had been done, worthy of said compensation, then surely an apology for such action is a fundamental human decency.

If I was a low life oxygen thief who stole your pride and joy D3 from your drive, then crashed it, you sure as hell would want me to be sorry... wouldnt you??? (this is not directed at an individual, merely an illustration)

When human beings are wronged, there is an inbuilt desire and need for justice. An apology is a part of that.

By the above argument, if no compensation is granted, that will indicate either that no wrong was ever done or that the "victim" has accepted said apology, forgiven and moved on. Only time will tell which will occur in this case.

I hope that today is a part of all australians taking part in:

"Deal with it people...."

regards
Steve

btw, i have just finished listening to the 55min video link on the abc.net.com.au, was worth listening too irrespective of your take on this issue.

I fully agree Steve. It would be a shame if we had some dues to us, such as compensation, but this was denyed because somebody just didn't want to bear the financial burden. Likewise, as Australians didn't want live under Japanese rule, just perhaps the Aboriginal people were happy living a traditional life and the whole problem has come about because 1 persons values and ideal were forced upon anothers, and it obviously continues.

**waynep** · 13th February 2008, 10:14 PM

I watched the speech today.
I'm disappointed, but not in the speech.
I'm disappointed in some of the attitudes displayed in the previous posts.
I thought the country had grown up a bit today but there's clearly work to do yet.

**wardy1** · 13th February 2008, 10:38 PM

Well... here's my 2 bob's worth
I'm fRom England originally.... now we were invaded by just about everybody! The Vikings, The Moors, The Romans and so it goes. I'm pretty sure thAt my people were at some stages enslaved, slaughtered, raped and our lands were most certainly seized...... Do I get an apology?......no. Do I get compensation?

I'm sure there are Frenchmen, Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks, Indians, Pakistanis and yep, even the ViEtnamese may have a bit to say but the French occupation and well.... the North Africans (Guyana, Kenya, Nigeria Sudan etc etc etc) may have something to say about the French, British and the Portugese!!!!

Where does all this end?

It all happened a long time go and lets face it, it will all probably repeat itself because that's the way we humans are. If we all feel good today because 1 politician said sorry, terrific.

I for one think we should all get on with the future and use the past as what it really is...... HISTORY. We can't change it, no matter that it was right or wrong.

And are we allowed to ask the really politically incorrect question here?

Were at least some of the "Stolen Generation" not taken from appalling family conditions where sexual and physical abuse were very real concerns?

Do we not remove WHITE children from similar situations even now?

Oh SORRY.

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