bloody road works

**Ace** · 28th February 2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by graceysdad

Hells bells you want road works come to this hole for look, they resurface roads here that dont need it as the Local Government allocates a huge budget for roads and i mean huge, every couple years we get a re seal job, they just spray the black gook on the road and tip light wieght gravel everywhere, so this is good for the windscreen shops, just as the risk of losing a screen has abated the goons come and reseal what was just resealed, its madness, our roads here are like bowling pin alleys, a real genuine waste of resources, and the roundabout things they must plant a seed and the next day a roundy bout is there where it wasnt the day before.

Its the opposite here, and when they do fix the road the dig up the soft section that has ruined the surface and refill and then patch it up. Then 3 weeks later the same thing has happened. The did one patch over the road from a servo that sees alot of trucks pull in and out. After a week the patch fell appart and the holes would nearly throw you off the road. There was a 4in gap between the patch and the main part of the road running in the direction of traffic. The whole section of highway between our house and lithgow needs to be ripped up and replaced its absolute rubbish. So what they are doing now is the worst bit and is a good start

**LandyAndy** · 28th February 2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

"Road works" Isn't that a tautology?

Diana

Till you have been there and done it you will never know the full story.
A daily drive thru a job doesnt give any sort of an idea whats actually happening on the ground.
People make jokes about roadworkers standing around doing nothing all day but have ABSOLOUTELEY NO IDEA of the thousands of tonnes of dirt that are used/shifted/removed/delivered in a day!!!!
And it still may LOOK the same as your last trip thru.
The last 2 days Ive been re-building a problem corner on a road.Gravel road,the job was botched last summer by 2 previous shire employees that should have know lots better.I was given 3 days each for 2 bad bends.Just did the first in 2 days and the next is easier.
No more gravel carted,it took a week for 2x6 wheelers and 1 semi-trailer side tipper last time for each bend.
So dividing the road down the centre over a 500m section,I have pulled out all the gravel delivered plus the underlying road.Mixed around 200000lts of water into it and had my rollers bash it down as I go.
Still looks the same to the passerby but hopefully now their gravel will hold together as it should have the first time arond.
Andrew

**Bigbjorn** · 28th February 2008, 08:41 PM

After a nasty incident of damage to houses in Lismore quite some distance from the road works site, NSW Main roads issued an instruction that the big Pacific V36 drawn vibrating rollers were not to be used if a building could be seen!

**Ace** · 28th February 2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

After a nasty incident of damage to houses in Lismore quite some distance from the road works site, NSW Main roads issued an instruction that the big Pacific V36 drawn vibrating rollers were not to be used if a building could be seen!

The RTA or whoever the is in charge sent in people the week before it all started and had vibration sensors fitted around the area, one of which is somewhere near our block, and they inspected the house for damage so if the work causes any we are covered.

I am not so much bitching about the work that is being done, sure its a pain in the but, but unlike those who just whinge because they have nothing to do i appreciate the job being done and know the end product will be worth it. It doesnt make it any less of a pain though, but i will live.

**George130** · 28th February 2008, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by graceysdad

Hells bells you want road works come to this hole for look, they resurface roads here that dont need it as the Local Government allocates a huge budget for roads and i mean huge, every couple years we get a re seal job, they just spray the black gook on the road and tip light wieght gravel everywhere, so this is good for the windscreen shops, just as the risk of losing a screen has abated the goons come and reseal what was just resealed, its madness, our roads here are like bowling pin alleys, a real genuine waste of resources, and the roundabout things they must plant a seed and the next day a roundy bout is there where it wasnt the day before.

Yes but in Canberra the pot holes that do exist are never fixed properly. They just fill it with a patch that is buggered in a month. Next year they do it again wit the same effect.

Out our way they are cutting big chunks of the freeway out and replacing the concrete. No real hassle except that you have to slow down to 80.

**LandyAndy** · 28th February 2008, 08:56 PM

Hi Ace and others.
the re-appearing wet spot failures in roads are caused by road trains.
When we are "working" moisture thru the job there are 2 rollers used,a rubber tyred and a vibe roller.
The rubber tyre roller draws water to the surface,the vibe roller pushes the moisture down.
Working together they keep the moisture balance how you want it for the dirt you are working.
Roadtrains draw the water caused by environmental isues(farming/land clearing etc) to the surface.We have dug wetspots out of sealed roads over 12ft deep!!!!
Andrew

**Ace** · 28th February 2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Hi Ace and others.
the re-appearing wet spot failures in roads are caused by road trains.
When we are "working" moisture thru the job there are 2 rollers used,a rubber tyred and a vibe roller.
The rubber tyre roller draws water to the surface,the vibe roller pushes the moisture down.
Working together they keep the moisture balance how you want it for the dirt you are working.
Roadtrains draw the water caused by environmental isues(farming/land clearing etc) to the surface.We have dug wetspots out of sealed roads over 12ft deep!!!!
Andrew

They dont have any of the rubber ones LA, they have the smooth metal rollers and the ones bumpy ones (correct terminology?) Why would that be?

**LandyAndy** · 28th February 2008, 09:06 PM

I bet your dirt is clay!!!!
Ruber tyre rollers/clay dont stay on the road too long.
I would think they will have the rubber tyres in later.
We are blessed with gravel over here,with the correct amount of clay/moisture blended in it sets as hard as cement.
We have a set of "sheeps feet" for our vibe roller,only fitted whe there is a high clay content in the soil.
Andrew

**B92 8NW** · 28th February 2008, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Till you have been there and done it you will never know the full story.
A daily drive thru a job doesnt give any sort of an idea whats actually happening on the ground.
People make jokes about roadworkers standing around doing nothing all day but have ABSOLOUTELEY NO IDEA of the thousands of tonnes of dirt that are used/shifted/removed/delivered in a day!!!!
And it still may LOOK the same as your last trip thru.
The last 2 days Ive been re-building a problem corner on a road.Gravel road,the job was botched last summer by 2 previous shire employees that should have know lots better.I was given 3 days each for 2 bad bends.Just did the first in 2 days and the next is easier.
No more gravel carted,it took a week for 2x6 wheelers and 1 semi-trailer side tipper last time for each bend.
So dividing the road down the centre over a 500m section,I have pulled out all the gravel delivered plus the underlying road.Mixed around 200000lts of water into it and had my rollers bash it down as I go.
Still looks the same to the passerby but hopefully now their gravel will hold together as it should have the first time arond.
Andrew

Andrew,

Here's a quick question I think you could answer. On a stretch of C road in South Gippy there is a bend that has been built but the camber slopes the wrong way. So instead of making the vehicle more stable and riding flatter in the bend, it facilitates roll overs.

Is there a regulation regarding this or is the camber not a legal requirement and put there for comfort?

**Ace** · 28th February 2008, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by joel_nicholson

Andrew,

Here's a quick question I think you could answer. On a stretch of C road in South Gippy there is a bend that has been built but the camber slopes the wrong way. So instead of making the vehicle more stable and riding flatter in the bend, it facilitates roll overs.

Is there a regulation regarding this or is the camber not a legal requirement and put there for comfort?

There is a corner like that near here, its at the bottom of a very steep hill on the way to mudgee, if you go around it to fast it sucks you into oncoming traffic, but putting a big reduce speed now sign is much easier and cheaper than fixing it.

LA, i dont know if its that high in clay, the graders are spreading it out at the moment, its grey in colour but the paste that is being formed with the rain is nearly white.

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