Thread: This is fair justice

Originally Posted by stevo68

Now ya see Simon, compare what you have now written..compared to what you wrote previously. If you have said silver tongue surely you can see the difference . Also isn't saying all my own silver tongued words just a fancy way of saying "opinion"?

Now you've lost me. I made a smartarse response to you saying that I was quoting from a dictionary. I meant, that I wasn't making an uncredited quote from a dictionary, I wrote it myself, I take it as a compliment on my writing skills that you would mistake it for something from a dictionary.

I don't think you can have that argument both ways. You originally thought it was from a dictionary, thus authoritative, or authoritative sounding. When you discover it's something that I wrote it becomes opinion.

Which do you want?

Moving on.....I not trying to present an argument per se, I'm not necessarily saying I am correct either, in this particular case it is mainly opinion based on my own experiences. Having said that I did google countries with low levels of crime, moreso to confirm that what I believed was in fact correct...and it was. So feel free to google "countries with low crime rates" and you will find what I was reading. As stated earlier, some of the measures taken are extreme with some of these countries, but proof is in the pudding. Whilst we may not want to go down that direct path, surely something can be taken from it all the same in terms of our current system? Simple example is that the average pot smoker wouldnt think twice to take a baggy say from Brissie to Perth, same pot smoker would more likely to think twice about taking it from Brissie to Bali.....
Regards

Stevo

And thinking back on me quoting statistic; I don't need to.

I was talking about possible rehabilitation of criminals, and possible failure of the justice system to provide a correct verdict.

You have to admit that both of those are a possibility.

That does not need statistics, because I am only talking about possible occurrences, not an actual quantifiable success, which is what you appear to be claiming.

Cheers
Simon

If someone makes a decision to commit a crime in the category that we would rather not think about then I am afraid they have also made a decision not only to be seperated from society but also to perhaps have their life taken. I know this seems hard but monsters will never be re integrated because they are mistakes and their genes should be removed from humanitys pool.

On the other hand we need to offer proper support and help for people who made an 'honest mistake' who wish they had never commited the crime and can be re-integrated.

Hypothetical situations probably dont help much but I have observed that some murderers get less time than white collar crime where a otherwise good person gets tempted to take money from a faceless corporation. To me stealing money is far less a crime than when there is a physically or mentally scared victim who was voilently or otherwise attacked by a criminal.

On the gaol debate, I cant see how they should be the least bit comfortable, like the yank said, "if you dont like it, dont come back"

Originally Posted by mudmouse

Some people are just scum. They have no respect for anyone or anything and perhaps breaking them down to where they have nothing, literally nothing, then building them up so that they can possibly assimilate into 'society' is an option.

It's also very easy to pass judgement on the way crims are treated until you or perhaps a loved one have been subject to a crime - not just your car being broken into either - a violent, barbaric crime.

Yes some people do not deserve even the 'right' to live - they have forfeited it. Ivan Milat for example and the two scum who repeatedly raped before brutally murdering my colleague's teenage daughter and her friend, several years back, have lost any right to be fed and housed. They took life and by another their lives should be taken. I'm not suggesting that capital punishment be used as a deterrent in this situation, rather a matter of justice being seen to be done, rather than pussy footing around. These people are beyond restoration and will repeat offend.

So what's everyone's take on the likes of the "Ivan Milats" and similar offenders. Should they be "rehabilitated" or "punished"?

Originally Posted by 29dinosaur

Yes some people do not deserve even the 'right' to live - they have forfeited it. Ivan Milat for example and the two scum who repeatedly raped before brutally murdering my colleague's teenage daughter and her friend, several years back, have lost any right to be fed and housed. They took life and by another their lives should be taken. I'm not suggesting that capital punishment be used as a deterrent in this situation, rather a matter of justice being seen to be done, rather than pussy footing around. These people are beyond restoration and will repeat offend.