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    Which brings another issue...

    Chambers Pillar is what comes to mind.

    Here is what wiki has to say:

    Chambers Pillar (Aboriginal name 'Idracowra' or 'Etikaura') is a sandstone formation some 160 km south of Alice Springs in the Northern Territory of Australia. Erosion by wind and rain has left an isolated pillar of 350 million year old sandstone, rising 50 metres above the surrounding plain.
    John McDouall Stuart was the first European to see Chambers Pillar, reaching the site in April 1860, and naming it after James Chambers, one of his South Australian sponsors. During the subsequent 147 years numerous visitors have added graffiti by carving names in the soft sandstone at the base of the pillar. This is proving a dilemma for the government body responsible for its conservation; at what age is graffiti of historical importance and not just graffiti?


    and the NT Govt.


    John MacDouall Stuart first
    recorded the pillar in April 1860
    whilst travelling north on his first
    attempt to cross Australia. He
    named it after James Chambers,
    one of his South Australian
    sponsors.
    Until the coming of the railway in
    the 1920s, the Pillar was a
    landmark in the desert on the long
    overland journey from Adelaide to
    Alice Springs. Many of those
    early travellers have left a record
    of their visit in the soft, white
    sandstone including John Ross
    and Alfred Giles both in 1870.
    More recently, visitors have
    added their names or graffitied the
    rock face. This is illegal and
    lessens the historical significance
    of the Reserve.
    A good point by Steve. Perhaps when vandelism is a tool??? Perhaps the subjective value of its aesthetics? Is age a factor?

    Such as around the Dig Tree perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Price View Post
    Now that the afore mentioned can of worms is open, consider this.
    There is graffiti carved into a rock on Goat Island in Syd 'arb. It was done by convicts and is protected.
    There are various places around the world where sailors have carved there names into coastal rocks over the centuries and we admire this.
    There are names and dates going back to the 18 hundreds at Borenore Caves near Orange and the nicest I have seen is the names of the outlawed "Ribbon Gang" written on a stalagmite in Abbercrombie cave some of which were written in beautiful "copperplate" form, all are now glazed over by by the ongoing process of dripping calcite. These are beautiful and admired by all but will be lost for ever in the fullness of time.
    That said, I don't like the stuff we see today but who am I to say??
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    Maybe so - but I don't own those items. If it was mine and it was new, it's vandalism of my property so I'd remove or paint over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    Maybe so - but I don't own those items. If it was mine and it was new, it's vandalism of my property so I'd remove or paint over it.
    But if you don't remove it straight away and it becomes part of the urban landscape, do you at some point lose the right to remove it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoStew View Post
    But if you don't remove it straight away and it becomes part of the urban landscape, do you at some point lose the right to remove it??
    Not while it's my property.
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    What if its a heritage listed property?
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    I wonder how many aboriginal artworks dating back many, many years were actually just kids buggerizing around. Or egyptian heiroglyphs for that matter

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