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    Removing skins from series doors and bonnet etc... How do I not wreck a prefect door?

    Goodevening all. I have been working on panels for my Series II resto (link in my sig) and have just got to the doors. The aluminium is nice and straight but the steel frame is starting to rust.


    I could probably treat it in situ and that would be satisfactory, but what can I say... I am possessed!

    Ideally, I would like to separate the Steel and Aluminium components so I can ensure that the steel bit is completely de-rusted. I also want to prime and first coat the items seperately, then finish off with the remaining coats and clear coat when it's all in one piece. The thinking behind this is to ensure that the metals are thoroughly protected from each other so I don't lose any more of my car to sacrificial anodisation...

    While I am confident I can unpick the folds holding the sections together, my main concern is that I can put them back together! I did actually start unpicking, but then decided to find out if I could put it all back together afterwards first!

    Obviously it isn't just as simple as folding it back over - it won't hold tight enough. Would you perhaps need to gently heat the aluminium and then lock it in the folded position with a broad head set of vise-grips?

    How did they do it in Solihull, or how else would work? (please tell me there is a way... regardless, I still need to fix the side of one door that I got carried away with! )
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    Chances are you will at minimum need some spray putty (if not a VERY SMALL amount of filler) when you put them back on.

    I used a combination of a very large screwdriver and a bolster chisel to lever the folds on my skins back. Make sure you do it EVENLY - keep going side-side along one edge, lifting a little bit at a time - otherwise you will stretch the ally.

    To refit, I placed a block of timber on the outside, and used a plastic/leather/wood hammer (can't remember quite which now) to fold the corners back down.

    p.s. - I galvanised my door frames - highly reccommended.

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    yes, its easy enough.
    I've done it a few times.
    In addition to what Ben said, when reinstalling, lay the skin outside down on a piece of cardboard then place the frame onto it. I find that a thin bead of sikaflex on the skin before you lay the frame on helps to make it feel more solid. Never had a problem with the alloy folding back down tight, you dont need to bend the lip the full 90 degrees to remove it.
    I too recommend galvanising the frames as you wouldnt want to remove them more than once - too much fatigue in the folds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    Chances are you will at minimum need some spray putty (if not a VERY SMALL amount of filler) when you put them back on.

    I used a combination of a very large screwdriver and a bolster chisel to lever the folds on my skins back. Make sure you do it EVENLY - keep going side-side along one edge, lifting a little bit at a time - otherwise you will stretch the ally.

    To refit, I placed a block of timber on the outside, and used a plastic/leather/wood hammer (can't remember quite which now) to fold the corners back down.

    p.s. - I galvanised my door frames - highly reccommended.
    Thanks mate. I did consider Galvanising them but I was worried about them warping. I know from some of your other posts that you are firmly in the "galvanise everything" camp - what else have you had Galv'd?

    I have often thought of just galvanising every steel component I could, but I have heard some horror stories about the varying quality of workmanship from Galvanisers. I might just go nuts with zinc-rich primer and make sure my paint coverage is top notch. I know it won't be as good but it will be cheaper and I will feel more comfortable about it.

    Back on door skinning: Do you reckon a bit of heat would help help tighten things up? It would anneal the Ally at the same time too I suppose...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark2 View Post
    yes, its easy enough.
    I've done it a few times.
    In addition to what Ben said, when reinstalling, lay the skin outside down on a piece of cardboard then place the frame onto it. I find that a thin bead of sikaflex on the skin before you lay the frame on helps to make it feel more solid. Never had a problem with the alloy folding back down tight, you dont need to bend the lip the full 90 degrees to remove it.
    cardboard and sikaflex - check.


    Quote Originally Posted by mark2 View Post
    I too recommend galvanising the frames as you wouldnt want to remove them more than once - too much fatigue in the folds.
    Good point... I do want this car to last forever too.

    Okay so that's two votes for Galvanising frames.
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    I have removed the skins off the doors for 1 of my series IIBs the doors are too rare to let rust out and I am going to galvanise.

    Before you cold chisel the skin off, anneal the aluminium edge first. You just need a burner of some type and propane is a good temp that wont burn or melt the aluminium. Heat it up until it softens and bends easily using a broad faced tool, a wooden handled paint scraper is ideal.

    Do the same when crimping back using a very broad tool, even a piece of timber the whole length of the door edge.

    If you don't anneal the aluminium may crack off when you crimp it back.

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    In the UK where rust is a much bigger problem there were always door skin folding tools in automotive tool adverts, not sure if they are readily available in Australia. The replacement skin had folded edges (just over 90 degrees).
    I've seen several different designs, the latest ones use nylon blocks to reduce marking the skin as it is crimped into place.

    Door Skin Folding Tool Sealey RE92/33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shonky View Post
    Removing skins from series doors and bonnet etc... How do I not wreck a prefect door?
    There's no point wrecking a Prefect door - it won't fit a Landie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    There's no point wrecking a Prefect door - it won't fit a Landie!

    I am surprised, impressed and ****ed off at the same time!

    My spelling is usually above your scrutiny Ron, but it seems that even I can fall victim to your eagle eye!(s)

    Could a Mod amend my thread title, please? (unless I can do it myself...?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    I have removed the skins off the doors for 1 of my series IIBs the doors are too rare to let rust out and I am going to galvanise.

    Before you cold chisel the skin off, anneal the aluminium edge first. You just need a burner of some type and propane is a good temp that wont burn or melt the aluminium. Heat it up until it softens and bends easily using a broad faced tool, a wooden handled paint scraper is ideal.

    Do the same when crimping back using a very broad tool, even a piece of timber the whole length of the door edge.

    If you don't anneal the aluminium may crack off when you crimp it back.

    Diana
    Thanks Diana.

    I have a little Propane torch that should do the trick.
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