Thread: WHAT WERE THEY THINKING...

Originally Posted by Shonky

Reckon I could fit the engine from one of those THornycroft Antars in Gus?

They came with a Rover Meteor petrol V12 which was developed from a Merlin sans superchargers. Not a nice engine. Anybody who worked on them in Centurion tanks loathed them.

I believe the Snowy Mountains Antars were repowered with diesels but don't know the story.

Originally Posted by rick130

Ali, each year it's a toss up between the Middle East and Australia on who is Toyota's biggest market for Land Crusiers, and Australia is easily the single biggest market for Nissan Patrols worldwide, particularly the cab chassis version, so the small market argument doesn't wash.

Small sales figures are the marketing/sales blokes problem, not the markets you are selling to.

WWTT ?

Land Rover lost their market share in Australia in the late 60's through 70's when they refused to listen to the Australian operation, dealers, and customers, and refused to install a power train that would give on-road performance at least equal to a Toyosan. I was there, at Leyland Truck and Bus. Not just Land Rover either. Leyland refused to even consider the idea of putting enough horsepower in their heavy trucks to compete with the US power trains who were then offering 400+ horsepower in a prime mover whilst Leyland's best was 318 in the Crusader and 290 in the Marathon. The Scammell Contractor had a by then obsolete Cummins 335 but were too slow and heavy to sell in any but a specialist heavy haulage market.

Originally Posted by Shonky

Reckon I could fit the engine from one of those THornycroft Antars in Gus?

I was thinking of an engine design for a new off-road Land Rover that would be something like an Isuzu 6BD1 or a Perkins 6-354. In-line 6 cylinder, pushrod OHV, camshaft driven by gears or double roller chain, two piece cylinder head ( 2 x 3 cylinders) so you can lift it off without hiring a crane. Probably need to be cast in aluminium to keep the weight down, with ferrous deck plates cast into the head and block mating surface to solve the gasket problems common in modern aluminium engines that wont tolerate overheating.

Another one I like would be an aluminium Detroit two stroke if it could be made to meet noise and emission standards. An aluminium 6V71N or 6V92N would be lovely. Nothing like a good Detroit for low speed torque. Added bonus is the ready availability of a Jacobs brake for these.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

I was thinking of an engine design for a new off-road Land Rover that would be something like an Isuzu 6BD1 or a Perkins 6-354. In-line 6 cylinder, pushrod OHV, camshaft driven by gears or double roller chain, two piece cylinder head ( 2 x 3 cylinders) so you can lift it off without hiring a crane. Probably need to be cast in aluminium to keep the weight down, with ferrous deck plates cast into the head and block mating surface to solve the gasket problems common in modern aluminium engines that wont tolerate overheating.

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I'll have mine in turbo intercooled form thanks, where do I sign

Lots of interesting threads here.The reason that LR has the engines that it has is because of pollution standards,rego costs etc,it has nothing to do with power.The reason why Oz and the middle east are patrols and cruisers biggest market is because they cannot be sold elsewere,it is the same with the Ozy six and eight ltr engines we grew up on them so thats what we buy,as far as keeping up with small turbo engines that is a load of crap,golf,pug's etc make them look stupid,the only thing they are good for is taking off from the lights and smoking the tyres.The defender does need a bigger engine but every jap owner I know drives at 90 to save fuel so whats the point?.With electrics it isn't a negative you just need to carry the gear to source the fault just like any other problem,mine vehicles have been using ECU's and Huei injectors for years but as above we had the software to find the faults and you can get stranded anywere for a hundred different reasons,I know I've found to many people in the bush to list.All I know is that none of my friends that bought jap trucks,because they had bigger engines now have them,the running costs for them is too high,10-12ltrs of engine oil every 5k and 14-16ltrs of fuel every hundred k's adds up.If you want to have a vehicle that has a big engine buy a 200 series,you can't legally tow or carry anything with it after your family gets in but you will have a big engine,just carry extra oil with you. Pat

Add common rail computor controlled injection and that thing should fly

Allowing landies to be sold to people with more than one eye.

WWTT

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Originally Posted by Col.Coleman

Add common rail computor controlled injection and that thing should fly

Allowing landies to be sold to people with more than one eye.

WWTT

CC

lol.

I love the amount of people who bitch that they couldnt possibly take a TD5 (or any electronically controlled engine) into the middle of no where, most of whom have probably have never been beyond their home town or capital city.

So much nonsense is spouted by people who pretend to know a huge amount and in reality have little or no experience of any of the modern stuff.

There are obviosuly exceptions, Brian for instance who has had issues, but nowdays with easyily available diagnostic tools I would happily take a td5,6, v6, or v8 anywhere.

I would say that 95 times out of 100 that you may have problems they would be mechanical anyway.