Thread: the Australian black Panther

Originally Posted by vnx205

O the other hand, you will never convince some people of how unreliable eye witness accounts are unless they are prepared to do a bit of research into just how easily we are fooled by optical illusions.

It is truly astonishing how wrong we can be about what we think we have seen.

Fine, upstanding citizens are just as capable of being wrong about what they have really seen as anyone else. The strength of your conviction is no guarantee of the accuracy of your perception.

Yes, very true matey. There are clinical terms I can use as well if I was ingnorant, or arrogant enough to not listen and research what people say.

With my recommendation and a police officers. I have to right to place a person in a mental institution for further assessment. So I need to tread very carefully on things only for my ears.

How would you explain Oct 22-23rd 1977, Gold Coast when Bill O'Chee among 20 or so other st7dents of the age between 12-13 , plus their teacher (ex SAS) saw (not a big cat but a hairy man) on two days,two seperate occasions and enough fear to cancel the school trip instantly? I may say it is mass hysteria, BUT what qualifies me to say such tripe, given that I wasn't there, just because my opinions have pull?

How bout Major Les Hiddens? He lying too? Dec 8th 2004, testimony along with other servicemen...

There are other examples of more than 10 witnesses at the same time.

I left some research materials for those who are interested in my 1st post...

What does Uh Hu mean Vlad?

Does that mean you want to come? Everything is paid for bar your food.. There will be another expedition same timish at start winter next year, im taking my new LR.
There is no guns, as most of us are quite capable of self defense to need such trash just to traverse the aussie bush.. I dont need my safety blanki..

Please explain RE: Facebook? Ive never had an account so am missing the joke youve made..

I will finish now and go live my non exciting life.

When I lived in the Mallee years ago we'd go feral cat shooting. when you have a mice plague you get loads of Snakes and cats gourging themselves, I saw and shot some massive feral cats. I was astonished at how big they were. They were simply big mofo cats allowed to run amoke.

Speaking of large cats, some years ago, near Williams Creek, strung up in a dead tree were multiple large feline pelts and a sign reading "Pussy Willow"

Originally Posted by Chucaro

No panther but not a domestic cat either
Chairman Dean Yirbarbuk said some cats had been caught weighing up to 20kg - the same weight as a five-year-old boy.
GIANT feral cats as big as goats are rampaging through Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory.

Feral cat caught in Arnhem Land

And worth big money - considered a delicacy..

John

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

Then that would be saying she is a liar, quite offenseive thanks, Vlad

No I'm implying she is mistaken.
Don't jump to conclusions about my motives please.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

ive watched enough nature videos in my time to know what a pussy cat looks like thanks mate.. I just dont hold a degree in the subject, im guessing you dont either? But still can tell me if a lion is a lion...

Nature videos eh. Hmm good for you.

I don't see the relevance but since you brought it up - I do in fact hold a B.Sc. (Zoology) from UQ.

I stress that it's a degree in Zoology, not cryptozoology.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

You missed Africa also matey. I know a little about botany to know what is what. I guess calling people a liar when they state which area the information comes from makes it easier to dismiss? Yes?

Excellent. Just how little do you know about Botany?

As long as we are being pedantic..... I don't claim any sort of expertise in the field, but care to point any NATIVE populations off African Eucalypt out to me?
I DID say that it has been extensively cultivated and no doubt that has occured in Africa. Happy to be proven wrong on this one, if you can so demonstrate I'll concede the point.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

As I have bee told on this site: look up the good oil etc.. I have supplied this to those that are interested. By your terminology, the good oil must be BS because that is my interpretation of it..Sigh..

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Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

Sort of like people that have way to much time and moderate yes? Or is that a living to you? We need you guys, but not to tell us we are not living (pot calling the kettle black)

Umm, what

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

As an amature herpetologist for close to 35 years, I spend around 2500 hours between midnight, and 5am a year. Whilst people are sleeping and talking on chat sites, I get to see things most others would not.

You're not one of those freaks with aquariums full of snakes littered throughout your house are you?

Maths isn't my strong point either but 2500 hours divided by 365 days would imply you spend 6.85 hours EVERY day of the year. I doubt that. Perhaps if you just said "a lot" I'd be happy to take your word for it.

You "get to see things most others would not" ? Maybe you get tired and THINK you see things ? You have to conceded that is a possibility.

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Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

Yes, very true matey. There are clinical terms I can use as well if I was ingnorant, or arrogant enough to not listen and research what people say.

In which case did you read the content that I posted. Thoughts or denial ?

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

With my recommendation and a police officers. I have to right to place a person in a mental institution for further assessment.

Hmm a police officer can do that on their own, so I have no idea what high horse you are claiming to be on.

Or are you saying you are going to commit me?

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

How would you explain Oct 22-23rd 1977, Gold Coast when Bill O'Chee among 20 or so other st7dents of the age between 12-13 , plus their teacher (ex SAS) saw (not a big cat but a hairy man) on two days,two seperate occasions and enough fear to cancel the school trip instantly? I may say it is mass hysteria, BUT what qualifies me to say such tripe, given that I wasn't there, just because my opinions have pull?

So some young boys saw it - well children are even more open to suggestion than adults, theoretically, are.

Bill O'Chee - the ex-politician? Not making any claims or allegations about him in particular but aren't pollies "in general" liars by profession?

A teacher who was "ex-SAS". Yeah and that makes the teacher more credible how? How do you know that ex serviceman is not suffering PTSD or other maladies?

And come clean.. were YOU the big hairy man?

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

How bout Major Les Hiddens? He lying too? Dec 8th 2004, testimony along with other servicemen...

You are making the mistake that just because the people who "saw" things may be fine upstanding citizens that what they "saw" was actually what they THOUGHT they saw. (ie yowie or cat or whatever...)

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

There are other examples of more than 10 witnesses at the same time.

Easily able to whip each other into a fervour and "oh yeah I saw it too...". It's highly unlikely that a group as large as 10 would see a fleeting image of a yowie or panther or whatever.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

I left some research materials for those who are interested in my 1st post...

That's research in the same way that scientology is astronomy.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

What does Uh Hu mean Vlad?

That's me being dismissive of someone I think of as somewhat deluded. It's not personal.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

Does that mean you want to come? Everything is paid for bar your food.. There will be another expedition same timish at start winter next year, im taking my new LR.

No thanks. Tramping around the bush looking for things which do not exist is not my idea of fun. I'm happy for you that you are taking your new LR. No, really.

HOWEVER I look forward to the results of your trip and invite you to post all the photos and so on of big cats and yowies on AULRO. I'm happy to be proved wrong but it'll need, umm, what's the word... oh yeah, EVIDENCE.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

There is no guns, as most of us are quite capable of self defense to need such trash just to traverse the aussie bush.. I dont need my safety blanki..

ha ha classic Must have your ex-SAS teacher along for the ride I suppose.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

Please explain RE: Facebook? Ive never had an account so am missing the joke youve made..

All I'm getting at there is that I am talking about first hand not third hand tales.

Originally Posted by WingsOfToa

I will finish now and go live my non exciting life.

Enjoy that.

Originally Posted by VladTepes

No I'm impying she is mistaken.
Don't jump to conclusions about my motives please.

So there is truth, lying and mistaken misconceptions. we'll get back to that one soon...



Nature videos eh. Hmm good for you.

Yes I like watching them, but in future I will pm you to ask when I believe I see a lion on tele, that I will need to record it, for reference on whether or not it was an actual lion. Thankyou for all your future help

I don't see the relevance but since you brought it up - I do in fact hold a B.Sc. (Zoology) from UQ.

That is an honerable degree. Does this now makes you a lion expert? As im guessing you studied (20 billion animals "estimation") and you now know waaay more about lions (example) than those who keep them , or are interested in a certain specific species, genus, subspecies etc.. Your a clever cookie!

I stress that it's a degree in Zoology, not cryptozoology.

Yep unfortunately there are probably 90% plus hoaxes in crypto issues, which takes away most credibility from real sightings. People that are genuine, are then scoffed at. Or youtube videos that say REAL BIGFOOT SEE HERE then leave everyone disparaged...



Excellent. Just how little do you know about Botany?

I know enough about our natives to state botanical words on some, and to know what will put you in hospital if you digest it, or dont prepare it correctly, but I dont feel it necessary, to write a resume' about it here..

As long as we are being pedantic..... I don't claim any sort of expertise in the field, but care to point any NATIVE populations off African Eucalypt out to me?
I DID say that it has been extensively cultivated and no doubt that has occured in Africa. Happy to be proven wrong on this one, if you can so demonstrate I'll concede the point.

Nor do I. I simply stated there are Eucalypts in Africa also. Maybe I should have been pedantic, and named specis sub species etc. But then I would have been pulling my own pud.


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Umm, what

There is a possibility you implied people that have interest in such things , have no life. I'll spell it out for you. People that moderate are needed in sites like these, but the same people seem to have alot of time on their hands to be able to do this. That i dont want to hear from someone who spends alot of their time on the internet, telling me, I need to get out more, as clearly its is the other way around. If I have mis interpreted your words incorrecty, then I appologise.



You're not one of those freaks with aquariums full of snakes littered throughout your house are you?

You may see me that way apart from my death adders, the smallest terrerium in my home for reptiles is 7.6cubic mtrs. So if that same implication is tha5 im the normal out of work, on the dole, obese, with nothing better to do than sit and talk reptiles keeper? then no im not

Maths isn't my strong point either but 2500 hours divided by 365 days would imply you spend 6.85 hours EVERY day of the year. I doubt that. Perhaps if you just said "a lot" I'd be happy to take your word for it.

"Alot"

You "get to see things most others would not" ? Maybe you get tired and THINK you see things ? You have to conceded that is a possibility.

Yes, true! I will conceed to that possiblity most definately. As you are into possiblities, isnt there a possibility that I may have seen "whatever"? Or does the possibility only work one way?

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In which case did you read the content that I posted. Thoughts or denial ?

As above..



Hmm a police officer can do that on their own, so I have no idea what high horse you are claiming to be on.

I believe we are o the wrong page with that. The powers they have are very minimal. Lets leave it at that..

Or are you saying you are going to commit me?

So now you are putting words in my mouth? Dont jump to conclusioms. See your 1st questionto me.




So some young boys saw it - well children are even more open to suggestion than adults, theoretically, are.

Your opinions are just that. But as you said, there is a possiblity that they didnt see whatever, there must also be a possiblity they may have.


Bill O'Chee - the ex-politician? Not making any claims or allegations about him in particular but aren't pollies "in general" liars by profession?

True and false, not everybody lies. Especially if it will make you look stupid. Its not in our nature to be made to look stupid.

A teacher who was "ex-SAS". Yeah and that makes the teacher more credible how? How do you know that ex serviceman is not suffering PTSD or other maladies?

Very true, could be having psychotic delusion. But WOW! Now your saying SAS may be telling porkies as well... you must have alot of very perfect friends.

And come clean.. were YOU the big hairy man?

Why? Are you interested? I dont float down that boat thanks..



You are making the mistake that just because the people who "saw" things may be fine upstanding citizens that what they "saw" was actually what they THOUGHT they saw. (ie yowie or cat or whatever...)

True. But again, you believe in possibilities of not seeing such and such, or hallucinations. There is also a possibilty they did. Or is that not a possibility?



Easily able to whip each other into a fervour and "oh yeah I saw it too...". It's highly unlikely that a group as large as 10 would see a fleeting image of a yowie or panther or whatever.

That is alsoa possibility. See above.. and if a crew of 50 were there, then there is a better possiblity of a sighting by more persons..




That's research in the same way that scientology is astronomy.

That is a feable connection, that is only your opinion.



That's me being dismissive of someone I think of as somewhat deluded. It's not personal.

Thats ok, I have a very thick skin



No thanks. Tramping around the bush looking for things which do not exist is not my idea of fun. I'm happy for you that you are taking your new LR. No, really.

Thankyou. There may be a possibility of sarcasm, as far as possibilities seem to go. But I prefer to see the good i people

HOWEVER I look forward to the results of your trip and invite you to post all the photos and so on of big cats and yowies on AULRO. I'm happy to be proved wrong but it'll need, umm, what's the word... oh yeah, EVIDENCE.

You dont want to come. Why would I need to feel I should convince you of something you dont want to experience 1st hand ?




ha ha classic Must have your ex-SAS teacher along for the ride I suppose.

DId the SAS do somehing personal to your or your loved ones? you seem very defensive..



All I'm getting at there is that I am talking about first hand not third hand tales.

Thankyou for clarifying that, had no idea about what Facebook stuff means.



Enjoy that.

I will. And I wish you sincerly al the best.
This to me isnt an argument

This comes to mind using everyday creatures.

A huntsman spider falls out of the sun visor, nobody has ever taken a photo of this happening. So in others opinions, this scenario would be fake.

Or it may be a hallucination, and its a dried leaf which when you stamped your foot down dozens of times it has been crushed and not visible.

You could say there ARE huntsman spiders, so this analogy is incorrect. There are millions of these spiders, but some of the population probably havent seen one, but have seen a photo. Out of these, some may not have even seen a photo. But believe what they have been told.

There are old bushmen out there that have never seen the ocean. They know it exists because people have said so or have seen photos. So they believe people for their word.

There are blind people from birth that have never seen a thing. If these people had the same attitude then most of the world would not exist.

With the attitude of Oh im a big tough man and I carry a gun, ill get the evedence blah blah blah..

That same situation with the huntsman spider should work for me. I also keep venomous invertebrates. Sydney funnel web spiders I have here, and have a healthy respect for them, but do not fear them. When an innocent huntsman spider falls in my lap though, the irrational fear jumps in and I go into survival mode. 3 times ive put the car into a ditch.

This is why most people freeze in fear, bust out crying, look like blubbering idiots, or cannot hold the camera still as itsa total shock to the system.. I bet there would even be deaths attributed to this innocent little example.

I believe this to be a reasonable amswer to why much has not been photograhed.

Feel free to pull this analogy apart...

Difference is, Huntsman spiders and the Oceans existence are verifiable facts.

We accept that:
1. There are large numbers of Huntsman spiders in Australia, I'd wager 99.99% of the population has seen them at some point.
2. It is not an unreasonable suggestion that they can get into a car and hide behind the sun visor.
3. We can prove that Huntsman spiders exist outside of terrariums and boxes, so why should they not be able to be behind a sun visor.
4. Sun visors are about a foot infront of your face, if that. Limited chance for optical illusions to come into effect.

Some things we also accept:
1. 71% of the earths surface is ocean.
2. Plenty of people have physically seen the ocean.
3. The ocean is not a concept that would be difficult to explain. Very big hole, very big puddle. QED


The difference is staggering, it's like comparing a peer reviewed journal article to an opinion piece by Andrew Bolt, the chances are that one is legitimate, fact based, and features results that are repeatable, whereas the other is narcissistic crap.
A bad example perhaps, but you get the point.
I regard Bush Panthers (or any big cat legend) with the same skepticism I regard Big Foot, the abominable snow-man, and any publication owned by News Ltd.