Thread: Disco 4 Engine System Failure Warning - beware!

Originally Posted by oldsalt

I gave a friendly wave to a blonde driving a black RRS this morning ... and if looks could kill I wouldn't be writing this e-mail ... I must remember my position on the social ladder in future ....

Doh, think it may have been one of my clients

Things started going downhill in that respect ever since they started fitting 4 doors to Land Rover products. Kids were designed to bounce between the roof and floor, the aluminum makes it softer.

Originally Posted by Bushwanderer

Hi Didge,
Firstly, I'm as happy as you are for you to stay with your Def.

Secondly, I think you'll find that the "warnings" & "modified operation" are designed to minimise damage to the components identified.

You may think that, because you don't have a vehicle producing messages, that your vehicle is not suffering damage under certain circumstances. In such cases, you only find out when a system fails catastrophically.

Good Luck,
Peter

I fully concur mate,

A member on another thread....one of the Defender ones...was keen to give the D3 a bit of a bashing. He had been to or seen some footage of a staged event in Columbia, where according to him, two D3s failed miserably. I probed further about the spec of the car and the experience of the driver, as I suspect it was running road tyres, was a V6 petrol and may not have been 'locked' or driven properly. Never got a response. Anyway, he was slagging the D3 cause it went into limp mode after getting stuck in a pretty big slippery hole. It may have been a failure but I think he failed to realise that the system is designed to protect a car that I suspect was getting the absolute crap flogged out of it. I'd rather let it cool, master reset (as in switch off and on again) and all is well.....rather than have a catastrophic and expensive failure a few months later. And what's so wrong with getting recovered?

As myself and others have stated before...the technology is here to stay and will get better/more reliable in time. Most modern aircraft, specially military fighters, are incapable of flying without their computers....and contrary to what people might think, they get flogged in the air and on landing.....lots of stresses and vibration.

Reliability stats are slewed easily by many variables....something as simple as a bad batch of light fittings will rate as a failure in thousands of cars. It's hard to work out what the real issues are.

I found it really hard to make my mind up on the D4 cause of all the emotive comments on many websites....some people just blatantly make stories up....quoting failures on D3's that are impossible. It bothers me that some LR owners are just as bad. The worse stories come from people who have never owned or I suspect have never been around a D3/4/RRS....LOL!!!

If there is a serious issue, owners/potential owners should know the facts but speculation, emotive or hearsay comments just muddy the water.

Cheers.

Kev.

Originally Posted by Celtoid

I fully concur mate,

A member on another thread....one of the Defender ones...was keen to give the D3 a bit of a bashing. He had been to or seen some footage of a staged event in Columbia, where according to him, two D3s failed miserably. I probed further about the spec of the car and the experience of the driver, as I suspect it was running road tyres, was a V6 petrol and may not have been 'locked' or driven properly. Never got a response. Anyway, he was slagging the D3 cause it went into limp mode after getting stuck in a pretty big slippery hole. It may have been a failure but I think he failed to realise that the system is designed to protect a car that I suspect was getting the absolute crap flogged out of it. I'd rather let it cool, master reset (as in switch off and on again) and all is well.....rather than have a catastrophic and expensive failure a few months later. And what's so wrong with getting recovered?

As myself and others have stated before...the technology is here to stay and will get better/more reliable in time. Most modern aircraft, specially military fighters, are incapable of flying without their computers....and contrary to what people might think, they get flogged in the air and on landing.....lots of stresses and vibration.

Reliability stats are slewed easily by many variables....something as simple as a bad batch of light fittings will rate as a failure in thousands of cars. It's hard to work out what the real issues are.

I found it really hard to make my mind up on the D4 cause of all the emotive comments on many websites....some people just blatantly make stories up....quoting failures on D3's that are impossible. It bothers me that some LR owners are just as bad. The worse stories come from people who have never owned or I suspect have never been around a D3/4/RRS....LOL!!!

If there is a serious issue, owners/potential owners should know the facts but speculation, emotive or hearsay comments just muddy the water.

Cheers.

Kev.

Kev - we dont know what the specifics of all of that were, but what is your take on why, if the Discovery was getting flogged, it went into limp home mode. I am one of those pesky D2 owners who likes the D3/D4 but is a little intrigued about the limp home protection after logging high miles on D1 and D2 with excellent reliability and no limp home despite heavy towing through DEEP sand in very hot conditions and treating it off road like I stole it. I am not having a go, but just genuinely intrigued about what is being protected and why it needs protecting given that LR traditionally dont overheat offroad when flogged, nor did their ZF auto's overheat.

Cheers

Hi,
As for Limp Home mode, I am aware of it, but have never experienced it in over 5 1/2 years of owning a D3 2.7 diesel. Have been in all sorts of off road experiences and towed everything between a Camper Trailer and 2.5t caravan. Never a problem with the D3, now in the first month of owning a D4, no problem with the D4.

Had the Limp home mode activate plenty of times on the D2, especially when you accidentally press one of the buttons on the Key when you are turning it in the ignition. Learnt how to "NOT" do this so I could start the D2 and drive it normally.

So, from my limited experience over 12 years of owning a D1, D2, D3, D4, the only time I have experienced "Limp Home Mode" is when "I" did the wrong thing and pressed buttons on the Key when trying to start it, and that was on a D2, never on a D3 or D4. Technology is getting better from my limited 12 year experience.

discomaniac

Guys I have no idea about the virtue of the story, or if true the circumstances, other than what I wrote.

I know that the D4 and I think D3 has it built in. I believe it's there to protect when there is a failure or circumstances are there that can cause greater damage.

I've had my D4 for almost a year now and have never had anything stop it working at all.

I just played with the idea that the guy in Columbia might have been reporting on a car that was ill treated to the extreme. As I said not sure of the FACTS. It's a recent thread on the site "90 110 130 Defender County" "What are the pros and cons Defender v Puma v Disco3/4"

It could be complete BS....I've already aired my comments on how much that craps me off..........

I resent the fact that people create a 'concern' in your mind about the reliability of your vehicle. If it's genuine...it needs to be aired....if it's BS, keep it to yourself! Even worse if it's from another LR owner.....

Originally Posted by Celtoid

I resent the fact that people create a 'concern' in your mind about the reliability of your vehicle. If it's genuine...it needs to be aired....if it's BS, keep it to yourself! Even worse if it's from another LR owner.....

An't that the gospel?