I'm tempted to go for the GOE rods if they are as easy to adjust as the claims state. I'm not keen on a permanent lift and I don't go off road often enough to really warrant a llams install. I do like the look of the llams though:)
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I'm tempted to go for the GOE rods if they are as easy to adjust as the claims state. I'm not keen on a permanent lift and I don't go off road often enough to really warrant a llams install. I do like the look of the llams though:)
Ashes,
Tha LLAMS kit is not a "Permanent" lift & can be dialled to 3 different offroad settings if/when required or just turned off & left at normal ride height.
If you chose the rods, then you will have remove/refit all the time when you again want normal ride height.
Go The LLAMS.;)
Yep Llams all the way. Second choice would be rods, specifically GoE as they are two way (I say this without having ever used them) and then single-position rods such as Johnson which I have and confirm are well made little units.
Does LR void any claims for suspension components, CVs, EAS or anything vaguely related when these after market items are installed and used.
I presume physical evidence would exist when rods are fitted and removed (if only finger prints or tell tale very clean bits) and software mods must be evident if LR had to have a close look to ascertain acceptance of any warranty claim.
Has anybody had experience with LR with this or am I being a little parnoid? Or is that D3 owners out of warranty making good use of these seemingly great devices?
Warranty and mods. Much depends on the manufacturer, the dealer, and whoever is handling the claim so generalisations cannot be made. Any modification at all runs some risk of warranty knockback.
The result can vary from "well you modified the car therefore all bets are off for anything even remotely related" to "we'll honour the warranty but not that particular part". For example, if you had a conventional car and lifted it by 2" then the manufacturer wouldn't warrant the springs and dampers, and could (I've seen it) not warrant the CV joints on the basis they were now acting at angles they weren't designed for. Land Rover could make the same claim, but it would be more difficult in their case as a 2" lift puts the vehicle into Offroad Height and it is clearly designed to operate at that height offroad which will place significant stresses on the driveline.
Ultimately my view is that I need the mods for what I do, and I run the warranty risk.
If you think the situation is being handled unreasonably you can take the matter to court for a nominal fee. A friend has done that with Toyota and won quite convincingly over a warranty claim on a front diff, but he did have a good case.
Pete, I'm familiar with the LLAMS having been there for the install on rmp's car. A very good piece of kit. The GOE rods look pretty handy in that they appear easy to swap heights without having to remove the rods. Just not sure yet how easy they are to convert from normal to offroad height. The GOE rods are also much easier to sneak onto the car without SWMBO knowing;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sniegy
Hi All,
Now pardon my ignorance if this has already been covered elsewhere (I did check honest!), but I was wondering if anyone could advise if the Faultmate could also be used to adjust the 'normal' off road height to give additional height to the LLAMS or rods when just about to head off the beaten track?
i.e. to adjust the suspension settings to give more offroad height, and then used again once back on the tarmac to reinstate the factory settings for the drive home.
Obviously there's a few $$ difference between the Faultmate and the other options discussed, but the ability to do this (if it exists) in addition to the myriad of other benefits of the Faultmate would probably be sufficient to push me over the edge and take the plunge to order a Faultmate.
Any guidance welcomed!!
Thanks RickO
I have both but haven't tried it, there is no need, the Llams gives the height with a twist of a knob, the rods need to be fitted in the case of GOE rods quite quikc and the Faultmate which I used prior to the Llams took a little longer than the rods.
If you are thinking of using the Llams as well as the Faultmate then why? all you do is raise the suspension to an extent where it would be impractical and risking damage on the blacktop and not necessary offroad as you have the LR system in conjunction with the Llams.
In my case I am totally happy with the Llams even though I also have a Faultmate.
Thanks RichardK,
I was only throwing the Faultmate into the mix as I do not presently have LLAMS, rods or a Faultmate and was trying to get the most bang for my buck.
Sure having to fire up the Faultmate and change the settings would be a bit of a pain in the ar$e, but as I said the ability to get the additional lift when required (I was thinking of getting either the rods or LLAMS) would probably be enough to make me purchase a Faultmate.
Thanks a mil,
RickO:D
I know of a D2 that had a warranty claim rejected because of a 2" lift. The DC joint in the front tailshaft let go (at 17K kms IIRC) and did extensive damage to the gearbox and exhaust system. This joint was a known design weak point (mine let go at 40K kms) but LR would not budge. Hence I would not tempt fate and leave non-standard rods or a Llams module or loom fitted when submitting a suspension system warranty claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGRO
Llams does not modify ecu values so there's nothing non-standard in the suspension ecu. However due to the modified sensor signals being PWM rather than pure analogue, with the vehicle not moving and even with Llams OFF, the signals waver just a little but enough to show-up on ecu diagnostic equipment as movement whereas unmodified signals are steady. The slightly unsteady height values could be incorrectly assumed to be faulty sensors by someone who does not know that Llams is fitted. I suggest that the loop-back plug be fitted in place of the module whenever the suspension ecu is going to be interrogated for faults. Tight tolerance mode operates properly and no suspension faults are recorded so the slight signal unsteadiness is obviously within acceptable limits.