Thread: Llams or Rods, which one and why?

Llams all the way...

Road height to the tracks, std offroad mode usually until it gets "fast" then I switch Llams to raised so I can do 50km/h+

Back onto fast dirt and back to normal height

Back into the next tough bit and raise again...


Rods are fine if you go into hard stuff and dont come out IMO, but the convenience of returning to normal in places like Gammon, Flinders, Googs etc easily sway me to Llams...

Llams for me too, easy to use and you don't have to get out of the car, plus customer service is outstanding as well.

Baz.

I have Llams. One of things about the D4 is that many of the terrain response settings cause a lift to off road height.

I find that it is better to mostly leave the Llams on normal height and let the car do its thing. Otherwise you end up with too much lift when they are both activated without you realising it. When you need the extra lift due to speed or an obstacle you can then switch it and check the lift setting on the car at the same time.

With the rods, you will need to change the height setting switch with more care if you have the rods in so that you don't get too much lift when all you want is off road height for 90% of the trip. Not a problem for most people but I am forever not realising that the a change in the TR has caused a lift when I wasn't expecting it and finding I am higher than I expected, unless I leave the Llams off for most of the time.

The other good thing about Llams is that you can lower the car much further than access height, especially in the D4 where you can use a lower setting in Llams. This is good for getting old people into the car and we use it all the time to help my 93 year old mother in law get into the car.

Bob

In my mind, the main advantage of the LLAMS system is it's flexibility. It can vary both maximum and minimum heights. The main advantage of the rods system is that it is the simplest possible solution.

There are (IMO) other more minor advantages/disadvantages of each, which take on greater relevance for some than others. One thing I would caution against though, is continual playing with height settings - the compressor is not designed to cope with multiple height changes, and has a tendency to jump into thermal protection mode quite regularly. With the fitting instructions I provide with the rods, I outline a usage pattern that should be stuck to, to avoid such behaviour.

Cheers,

Gordon

LLams
Had mine in for over 12 months and never had any errors, used numerous times on Fraser, Moreton, Bribie and Scenic Rim out of Brissy.

I've had an IIDTool for some time and find it quite neat.

Sure, it isn't as absolutely bog simple as LLAMS for raising and lowering (you need to turn the vehicle ignition off and then on again to make height changes with IIDTool), but it also lets you check and clear faults, tweak a lot of settings, and many other things.

It also doesn' require any installation as such - just plug it into the OBD port under the steering column, and when done, throw it back into the glovebox etc.

Thanks for your comments gedaso ... how about a few more details ? I'm sure quite a few members on here would like to know more about it and it's capabilities....how much you paid for it.... etc etc
cheers

Originally Posted by gghaggis

In my mind, the main advantage of the LLAMS system is it's flexibility. It can vary both maximum and minimum heights. The main advantage of the rods system is that it is the simplest possible solution.

There are (IMO) other more minor advantages/disadvantages of each, which take on greater relevance for some than others. One thing I would caution against though, is continual playing with height settings - the compressor is not designed to cope with multiple height changes, and has a tendency to jump into thermal protection mode quite regularly. With the fitting instructions I provide with the rods, I outline a usage pattern that should be stuck to, to avoid such behaviour.

Cheers,

Gordon

Yes, when I use Llams, I make sure it is only used in conjunction with the offroad system, this minimises compressor useage, so basically the Llams is set once, usually the first setting, and then only used again at days end, the second setting is only used if I feel I might need the extra height for large rocky sections or very deep ruts.

Baz.