4WD Action/Roo Systems acquires a D4... :(

**MR LR** · 20th November 2013, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by komaterpillar

I'd rather be sitting on the side of a track drying a bit of wiring out or an ecu, as opposed to sitting on the side of a track with a sump full of bent rods. Just sayin

I didn't actually damage the engine upon inspection, had my D1 been manual I would have driven it home, the battery was stuffed, this lead to false assumptions and a trailer was called in.

Surely if you were to assume that the D1 had hydraulic locked, the D4 would have done the same...

Originally Posted by gghaggis

Mr LR

You agreed that driving a D3/4 as they did the Camel Trophy cars would break them. You said that a D3/4 would never drive the routes you've done in a D1 or RRC. The CT cars were NEW cars, so directly comparable to the new D3's in the G4. Your D1/RRC's are modified, so comparable to my D3's/RRS, although probably more modified than mine. Where's the reliability issue?

You can't compare the G4 challenge to the Camel Trophy, it's nothing like it. And I acknowledge that they beat the living hell out of those Trophy cars, especially in the early years.

My cars are actually stock as far as driveline goes ATM, the RRC has a slight lift (under 1") they just had/have bigger tires, and a winch for self recovery, I have used this once for myself (the mudhole), a dozen times or so for other people.

My RR has a snorkel, but I avoid water because the V8 isn't a fan of it

, my D1 had the stock air intake, with a broken airbox to guard connection, this is what let the water in to the engine.

I'm sure a brand new D4 would not have drowned where my D1 failed to proceed, I'm also sure a brand new D1 would have been fine aswell, it was neglect and arrogance on my part that the car was put in that situation, and I am the first to admit that, which is why I desire to shove my foot up the arse of any person small enough to belittle me about it (the ****** should know who he is), I clearly learned a few lessons from that, and gained more experience than had I read it in a book (I see this as a win).

Do you genuinely believe a stock D4 is tougher than a stock D1, Gordon? As in essence that is what I originally said, or how about an 80 series vs. 200 series.

Cheers
Will

**gghaggis** · 20th November 2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by MR LR

Do you genuinely believe a stock D4 is tougher than a stock D1, Gordon? As in essence that is what I originally said, or how about an 80 series vs. 200 series.

Cheers
Will

This is the essence of it - yes, I genuinely believe a stock D3/D4 is tougher overall than a D1. The (small) issues that will stop it are far more fixable than the issues that will stop a D1. I ran them side-by-side - a modified D1 (Class C) and a nearly stock D3 (Class A). My wife was a complete Land Rover widow when we ran the D1 in competition. I got a new lease on marriage when I bought the D3. Anecdotal I know, but consistently backed up by the lack of "I broke my axles" threads on this forum.

Cheers,

Gordon

**robbotd5** · 20th November 2013, 07:43 PM

Come on guys this is not a D1 vs D4 debate. Nor is arguing about chalk and cheese. I'd love to own a D4 some day. But I feel that handing these 4WDA morons a D4 is just a marketing ploy. He won't get rid of his landcrusher. I subscribed to this publication for 3 years and while it was good when Pat Callinan was there but Roothy always rubbed me up the wrong way. Because of his Toyota clouded mentality. It will be a flash in the pan thing and when they run out of capital for the D4, they will go back to yota with no regard for what an awesome groundbreaking pioneering vehicle the Land Rover is.
Ps. I can't stand how Roothy pronounces Land Rover as " Lan drover" bloody annoying.
Regards
Robbo

**MR LR** · 20th November 2013, 07:51 PM

Gordon,

I can definitely appreciate where you are coming from, and I can definitely understand it with respect to the driveline, overall I still lean towards live axles, coil springs etc, but after this discussion I have a greater interest in observing the merits of a D4 in proper 4WDing situations, maybe my mind will be changed about independently suspended vehicles having no structural cred, my mind is open to it... (I just remembered H1's are independant...)

Can't say I'd ever choose one as a toy, I couldn't bear to damage it, but quietly I do like driving the D4

Cheers
Will

**MR LR** · 20th November 2013, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by robbotd5

Ps. I can't stand how Roothy pronounces Land Rover as " Lan drover" bloody annoying.
Regards
Robbo

Ever heard a cute little pommie chick say it?

**~Rich~** · 20th November 2013, 07:55 PM

Roo Systems have most likely leased or bought the D4 through the business. Its a tax deduction as with any company vehicle. It will have a warranty like any other D4, depending on what they change on it of course.

**gghaggis** · 20th November 2013, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by MR LR

... but after this discussion I have a greater interest in observing the merits of a D4 in proper 4WDing situations,

Well then, get yourself over to Perth next March and observe from behind the wheel - we'll supply the car

Originally Posted by MR LR

maybe my mind will be changed about independently suspended vehicles having no structural cred

I can't even begin to fathom where this comes from - you've heard of the Dakar Rally, right??
Cheers,

Gordon

**MR LR** · 20th November 2013, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by gghaggis

Well then, get yourself over to Perth next March and observe from behind the wheel - we'll supply the car

Really?

Originally Posted by gghaggis

I can't even begin to fathom where this comes from - you've heard of the Dakar Rally, right??
Cheers,

Gordon

Commercially made dune buggies I've played with actually (albeit chinese)... I've ripped a front wheel off driving through a gravel drain! That's when I decided it was time to make my own, heavier duty one!

And also looking at photos in the auctions of written off Land Rovers.

Cheers
Will

**AnD3rew** · 20th November 2013, 08:23 PM

This is anecdotal and one off experience I know, but I went on a club day with a bunch of deefers (which I love and am not trash talking). And on one very steep rocky section of track with a big slippery step near the top two of the deefers broke CV joints my D3 crawled up no worries. I attribute this to the deefers having to hit it at a bit of speed to get over it and the D3 can just walk up to it and then slowly over it. This enables the car to go just as far but with less stress on components.

Also of course a matter of age and luck, several other deefers made it up without drama so it is not conclusive but I found it interesting. There were a few hairy sections on that trip with waterholes, thick mud, rocks etc etc. there was nothing the deefers did my D3 couldn't do.

On the Lithgow day organized by TerryO where there were 25 or so D3/4's and 1 RRS there was only one casualty and there were some good challenges not all of which I attempted, but it was amazed what these vehicles are capable of.

Mine is set up primarily for touring but it can still cut it in the rough stuff for a bit of a play.

**~Rich~** · 20th November 2013, 08:49 PM

Yeah, pity Jamie's video on that D3, D4 RRS weekend isn't up yet. Plenty of footage there!

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