Thread: 4WD Action/Roo Systems acquires a D4... :(

You miss the point - anyone can find an example of any model failing. You're using one exemplar for one side of the argument, and ignoring one to support it!

The Camel Trophy cars weren't standard trim. Quite a few of them broke down. A D3 (or D4) with the same additions would likely go as far or further. Some of the G4 challenges show that.

Originally Posted by rocmic

That thread is here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/...y-drowned.html

Seems from the initial post that it was a fair bit more than 300mm of water and mud. It also seems that the vehicle was driveable afterwards. There was also a fair bit of damage caused by the recovery attempts.
No evidence of the 'puters either causing or exacerbating the problem.

Cheers
Mike

Obviously my mathematical brain can't understand how much I suck at English, because noone can understand what I'm saying. So I'll try once more, then after that I've said enough, obviously noone can look beyond the nanocom

The computers aren't causing the problem, but they are affected by it, this goes for any electronically controlled device. If you re-read even the first post (and I had a quick 3 second look to refresh my memory), the cruise control packed up (that's a 'puter), to name one fault, there were more.

This could happen to any car with a computer, I'm not picking on the D3/4 drivers here.

The problems are caused by the person that drives and or maintains the vehicle, my comments are all to do with how well the machine can cope with the adverse conditions. For example a 300tdi D1 that sits in water up to the bonnet for 20 minutes, will likely have less issues than a D4 or LC200 that does the same thing, I'd say the latter would be more likely to go home on a flatbed, than the former.

If I had to negotiate a difficult area, I'd choose a D4 over a D1, for it's capability, but as I said, in a zombie apocalypse, I'd take one of the old girls.

Originally Posted by gghaggis

You miss the point - anyone can find an example of any model failing. You're using one exemplar for one side of the argument, and ignoring one to support it!

The Camel Trophy cars weren't standard trim. Quite a few of them broke down. A D3 (or D4) with the same additions would likely go as far or further. Some of the G4 challenges show that.

Nah mate, you are not understanding my point, I agree with yours, about capability.

Originally Posted by MR LR

Nah mate, you are not understanding my point, I agree with yours, about capability.

Nor you mine. For a post 2005 car, you need a different set of tools, and a slightly different mindset. With those, there's little if any difference in reliability. There are thousands of threads about D1's breaking down, stranding people, being recovered home. Same for ANY make or model. If you take a few hours to educate yourself, a D3/D4 presents no more a barrier to reliability than anything else.

The fact that a 4x4 mag doesn't, and then trounces the brand is a reflection of our self-centered opinionated culture, not a weakness in the model design.

Cheers

Gordon

Originally Posted by TerryO

Which one Wayne? ...Latte or a flat white ....

Latte' please,,,

Originally Posted by Redback

No Terry it's Hibiscus tea for our Defender boys

Sorry Baz,,, Yuck

Originally Posted by TerryO

I thought you only drank Hibiscus tea to get rid of constipation?

Does this mean the Defender boys are all full of ****? ....

Now now Terry,, no more than anyone else,,,

You need to realise this is a mag essentially for Toyota and Nissan with a (very small) smattering of the other marques, to the point they're almost apologists for those brands

Originally Posted by gghaggis

Nor you mine. For a post 2005 car, you need a different set of tools, and a slightly different mindset. With those, there's little if any difference in reliability. There are thousands of threads about D1's breaking down, stranding people, being recovered home. Same for ANY make or model. If you take a few hours to educate yourself, a D3/D4 presents no more a barrier to reliability than anything else.

The fact that a 4x4 mag doesn't, and then trounces the brand is a reflection of our self-centered opinionated culture, not a weakness in the model design.

Cheers

Gordon

I'll sum it up then - a post 2005 car has a shorter service life than a pre-computer car, that is what durability is, it's not capability, and it's not reliability, I don't believe I ever mentioned those two words (and if I did it was an accident), every response to my comments has involved a disagreement to something I never said. A service life is subject to wear and tear, more wear and tear = more breakages, sending a computer for a swim is going to cause more damage than giving an old diesel a drink.

It's called obsolescence, new technology does not have the same service life as the old stuff.

Cheers
Will

Originally Posted by MR LR

sending a computer for a swim is going to cause more damage than giving an old diesel a drink.

Cheers
Will

I'd rather be sitting on the side of a track drying a bit of wiring out or an ecu, as opposed to sitting on the side of a track with a sump full of bent rods. Just sayin