Thread: MY14 D4

The Jags have an overide switch for it,no doubt LR will do the same.

It is really strange as when you stop everything is so quiet.

I didn't like it at all,but suppose it is something we will all have to eventually get used to.

Originally Posted by scarry

I didn't like it at all,but suppose it is something we will all have to eventually get used to.

Yeah - and get used to no transfer case, CVT, 22"+ wheels, etc. I don't like where the industry is heading.

Originally Posted by SBD4

I hope not - imagine that while trying to negotiate a tricky section out in the bush.

"Hold it their mate while I stick a couple of rocks under your wheels so you can make it up that last step."....

Mind your Land Rover would probably be clever enough to disable the stop/start if terrain response was in anything other than the standard setting.

I have never driven a car with stop/start and really don't like the idea of it.

I've driven a couple of different vehicles with stop/start, and owned a Golf Bluemotion for 2.5 years, and in all of them there has been a button to disable the feature.

It is very clever, though I'm not sure that i would want to own a ten year old example.....

In the Golf, it is totally seamless. It will restart the engine faster than i can dip the clutch. In real world use, it is not noticeable, or a hinderance. For my daughter, whilst she was still learning it was great for her - if you stall it, just dip the clutch and it restarts.

I would like to think that Land Rover would put extra smarts in their take on such a system, I can't imagine that they would expect you to endure stopping and starting whilst off road.

Originally Posted by phl

Isn't this model a stop/start version as well?

Phl,


Sounds like we will, doesn't sound to bad?


Intelligent Stop Start


The intelligent stop start system is fitted as standard to Discovery 14MY SDV6 diesel variants. The system often referred to as TSS (Twin Solenoid Starter) is one of a suite of features designed to improve fuel economy and reduce CO2 emissions.
The system is automatically engaged when the ignition is turned on. When the vehicle comes to a halt at traffic lights, or heavy traffic for example the system will check if the engine is required, if not, it will turn it off. On release of the brake the engine will instantaneously restart providing the selected drive mode.


In order to complete an ECO stop the vehicle needs to be brought to a stop from a speed of more than 4kph, when enough brake pressure is applied that the vehicle is stationary the engine will stop. Alternatively when the vehicle is stationary, if either Park or Neutral are selected, the engine will also turn itself off.


From a standstill, the engine will instantaneously restart on release of the brake pedal if in either Drive or Sport mode or the reverse gear is selected or the accelerator pedal pressed.


There are certain conditions under which the ECO system will not automatically stop the engine:


ECO Stop/Start system is deactivated.


The outside temperature is near freezing, or too high.


The engine hasn’t reached operating temperature.


The climate control is in defrost mode.


The drivers’ seatbelt is not engaged.


The bonnet is open.


Battery charge is low.


The climate control is working hard and therefore drawing a heavy load from the battery.


The drivers’ door is open

Originally Posted by JayBee75

Out of interest obviously an 8 Speed, however have they continued with the rotary dial?

Interesting to see jag are moving away from it, and some D4 owners I have spoken to now prefer the stick in the middle rather than the dial.

I saw a new 2014 HSE LR4 at my local LR dealer last week, white in colour - that was OK, the changes from 2013, well....

The 4 puzzled me as HSE LR4 was on the rear but the window sticker said V6; also there was no stick in the centre console, just a round knob, Evoque style. The terrain response, (I guess that is what it was), appeared to be a horizontal rocker switch about 3" long located where the TR knob was in 2013 The Land Rover name was still on the bonnet however; the OEM wheels were 19" which also surprised me but in a more positive way - something to do with snow tyres I think. 18" is better but ....

When I questioned one of the sales reps, he said the stick had been deleted to provide a purse shelf and the the engine was a 3 litre supercharged petrol unit, same as the new RR Sport. As to a transfer case or not, I guess I was too depressed to investigate further.

My feeling was these sort of changes might be OK on the RR Sport, but on the Discovery, well I guess that is how you kill demand for a body on frame vehicle.

Myself, I think, (hope), the no stick thing is just a fad so I was pleased by the remark in another post suggesting Jag is perhaps going back to the stick; maybe grocery getter will not be the future.

I couldn't agree more. A bloody purse shelf for crying out loud!

They deleted the V8 option from the MY14 year - don't like that either.

I'm starting to understand where the Defender boys are coming from.

Originally Posted by sheerluck

I've driven a couple of different vehicles with stop/start, and owned a Golf Bluemotion for 2.5 years, and in all of them there has been a button to disable the feature.

It is very clever, though I'm not sure that i would want to own a ten year old example.....

In the Golf, it is totally seamless. It will restart the engine faster than i can dip the clutch. In real world use, it is not noticeable, or a hinderance. For my daughter, whilst she was still learning it was great for her - if you stall it, just dip the clutch and it restarts.

I would like to think that Land Rover would put extra smarts in their take on such a system, I can't imagine that they would expect you to endure stopping and starting whilst off road.

I can see Tim's (aka drivesafe) sales for DBS going up from here. All those great features that help the starter battery maintain a good state of charge.

I think I would be disabling the "feature" if my car had it. Still, best to wait until I actually experience it before judging I guess.

Originally Posted by SBD4

I can see Tim's (aka drivesafe) sales for DBS going up from here. All those great features that help the starter battery maintain a good state of charge.

I think I would be disabling the "feature" if my car had it. Still, best to wait until I actually experience it before judging I guess.

I can appreciate your concern, Sean. And I reckon that it would very much be down to the individual's driving habits and circumstances as to whether such a system would cause more issues than the fuel saving would be worth. For me, in a semi rural area, with next to no traffic, and a 40+ km drive each way to work with only a handful of sets of traffic lights in between, I decided that there would be minimal extra strain on the driveline, and leave it active.

In the case of my Golf, the starting and charging systems are in perfect health, i asked the dealer to do a special check during it's service during the week before Christmas. The battery is close to 3 years old (car has a build date of April 2010) and it still starts with only a half turn of the key, or by the time the clutch pedal is halfway down.

I'm still convinced the technology is worthwhile and sufficiently robust on everyday cars, however for a 4wd I would need some convincing.