Thread: Help!! 2012 engine into 05 D3 issues 2.7

Originally Posted by PeterOZ

Have you checked around for a landie specilist who knows what they are doing to sort this mess out?

Peteroz one would infer from silversurfer's other threads that the vehicle is most likely already in the hands of a highly regarded independent lr workshop.

Reading about uk specialists who've done this sort of thing this is way out there in degree of difficulty. Taking the car away to another workshop will not necessarily provide the desired outcome.

Originally Posted by pibby

Peteroz one would infer from silversurfer's other threads that the vehicle is most likely already in the hands of a highly regarded independent lr workshop.

Reading about uk specialists who've done this sort of thing this is way out there in degree of difficulty. Taking the car away to another workshop will not necessarily provide the desired outcome.

Highly regarded by whom? Their accountant and bank manager?

sorry but I dissagree, this is just incompetence by mechancis with limited knowledge who expect the customer to pay while they try different things.

They clearly have no idea what they are doing.

Its a system engineering issue, break it down into the subsystems dn see what is stopping it from working.

Seems to be mainly CANBUS version and ECUs not being able to intergrate.

Why? A BUS is just a bunch of wires over which a protocol is transmitted/recieved by dedicated controllers and by the the various ECUs.

What does he currently have and what does he need to be able to integrate over the existing CANBUS network?

Is it easier to upgrade the CANBUS to a later version with different connectors and controlelrs? Teh physical layer is easy to address, what is tricky is the transport layer and higher layers the protocols require to be able to integrate.

What firware are the engine and trans ECUs running? Reflahsed with LR firmware or still have blue oval code?

Do the verticals and analyse the problems in a logical sequence. It really is not that difficult.

the problem is this is being tackled at the physical and mechancical level, not where the actual problems lay, and there are multiple problems.

Sorry but this is a disgrace and people applogising for these so called "highly regarded experts" gives me the poohs.

It has already been stated that the gearbox/canbus issue has been resolved.

and the various systems are still not talking.

Having re-read the OP's posts I didn't see any mention of other systems being affected although the gearbox obviously hasn't been road-tested. The fuel system damage and contamination seems substantial though.

I expect that the workshop has insurance cover for damage caused by any poor worksmanship but may prefer to incur some financial loss rather than claim. This workshop will be very mindful of the need to look after its reputation.

Thank you all. Motor now seems to be running but the auto is playing up. Just put an additive in. For anyone that doesn't recall the post its a 2012 auto which evidently won't work. Computer won't talk to it. So the valve body from the old one was swapped in. 2 possible issues there. 1 I replaced the auto because it was showing some issues so valve body probably no good. 2 valve body may still not work 100% with later model box. Will know more tomorrow. Old trans sitting there but less valve body. Low km valve body from 2012 sitting there. Old engine with head or head gasket issue there. Only inj pump gone. Otherwise should b complete. Ran great. 9 l/100. Only issue was kept pumping water out of expansion tank. Will probly sell all parts once I know my car is ok. Try to get some money back. Or keep them for some spares. I am worried I'll need them!!
If it's ready tomorrow should get the bill. 4k engine. 3k trans. Labour =? = scared sh$&less.

Hi peteroz. I can't comment on your tech suggestions however I can say this:
If you own an early model and want to use a later model engine be it ford or rover instead of trying to be clever just swap the inj pump and injectors or get a cheap ford motor and spend the money you save on new ones. Paying by the hour these days will hurt a lot more than that. Especially when no one seems to have a better fix. 5k on wires or 5k on new parts. I know which way I wish it went.
Trans wise not sure yet. Disappointing as I was looking forward to having a later model box due to issues with earlier versions including my own. I hope it works ok and will then seek advice from zf direct. May end up rebuilding my old one, swapping over and then sell 2012 box.
The mechanic has been ok thus far. Yes 5 weeks crazy and lots of things I could say but I respect people until it goes south which for me will be if I had to pay for any great deal of the time blown in error. We'll see. I can only strongly suggest get 3 people to confirm anything odd or don't do it and I wouldn't trust anyone but myself to do this again.

Hi everyone. I picked up the car yesterday. Engine wise seems fine. So we have a 2012 Ford engine only major change is new injector pump due to mine being an 05 model. If later model I think that would be ok as well. I think the sump was changed and some of the pulleys on the front of the engine. Otherwise 4k and has done 50km.
Transmission a different story. Working with valve body from 05 box but not without issues. I am advised it is a mismatch. Likely I will have to rebuild my old box and swap it over.
So check your model and corresponding part numbers and check with a reputable parts supplier if the parts you are looking at buying are interchangeable on their system.
Cost wise mechanic was reasonable. He had it 5 weeks but actually only spent 100 hours on it and charged me 70. Not great and 5 weeks terrible but I am content with that. Just don't assume people can work this stuff out easily and sensibly. All up 20k including new hand brake (parts ex UK) and if it wasn't for all issues with injector pump and sadly now auto that would be reasonable I think. Happy to answer any questions you have.