Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

And we can trust journalists as they know everything??.....

AFTER off-roading the D4 is superior:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p.
Just been cleaning mine after last weeks fishing trip.
To clean the chassis out,select off-road height,then trick the ecu into extra off-road height.Now one can easliy wash out the chassis and protection plates with a hose and clean inside the wheel arches with ease.Bugga my roof is now like a defenders,I cant wash it :(:(:(:(:(
Oh yea thats right,select accses height,the same button you use to park in parking spots that say small cars only,low clearance.Now I can wash the roof with ease;);););););)
Andrew

Wash :confused:
Oh can't have an off road vehicle dirty :wasntme:

Here we go try this in a Defender.
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OH,they did!!!!
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Andrew

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

The Defender is better off road as it has less electrical complexity.

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except all the electrics under the drivers seat in a Puma in a box that is very low and not well sealed so therefore need Mulgo's ExBox mod.

Interesting thread.

One thing I disagree with is Fuel Use comparisons.

My SDV6 D4 is far more fuel efficient than my Sons Defender.

Even if you take driving styles out i.e. doing 110km/h on the freeway I am at 8 litres per hundred the defender is 10+.

The D4 is also more fuel efficient when towing + the fact it does it more easily.

I very much enjoy driving my sons defender, however would I swap - No.

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Originally Posted by Marty110

except all the electrics under the drivers seat in a Puma in a box that is very low and not well sealed so therefore need Mulgo's ExBox mod.

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I was told it was up on the firewall behind the engine.

Ecu on the bulkhead, stuff under the seat. What's annoying isitwould be easy to waterproof at the factory

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Talking about ego, it's definitely not mine that is feeling insecure and in need of reassurance, given a couple of the churlish responses it would seam that a few Defenders owners are feeling a little threatened about how good their pride and joys are given the many comments by a large number of Disco owners.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, even me believe it or not. My various comments expressing my opinions add up to less than 5% of all the comments so far in this thread in total.



So how about getting back on topic and actually discussing the points and actually explaining why a late model Defender is better off road than a late model Disco on similar size and spec tyres, because to date not to many of you have even attempted to address that.

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Actually one of the major points as to why it's a better 4x4 is the one you're trying to either eliminate or ignore.
On a defender with a 2 inch lift I can fit 35- 37 inch rubber with offset rims, flares and a guard trim. A D3/D4 cannot fit that size, EVER.:twisted:
I think you also answered it yourself in modifying a 100inch series 3 on coils, oops a d1,) aren't the rear and front axles identical to a swb S3/Def 90,also same gearbox/transfer case?) :D and not your D3or 4.
A wrangler needs 4-6 inch lift for that size as do the Japanese opposition.

It's been fun listening to all the Deefer drivers explain how D3's & 4's work, but their scratchings on the cave wall show that they're still in the land of the Prince Of Darkness when it comes to understanding technology.

Things have moved on, the live vs independent argument is invalid in the face of active IRS, and the idea that wanting to scratch/damage the car is a characteristic of the vehicle (rather than the owner) is running a line of logic even Benny Hill would have trouble with.

10% tyre change is illegal on any stock vehicle and, and and ...... so on. Nothing to do with stock off-road ability here folks.

Ah well

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