Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

According to the discovery owners Roothys Milo must be a D4 in disguise....


Wait a minute its a 30 year odd old truck that out performs everything in the lowrange series, including.....wait for it.......Glenos D4.

What a leaf sprung 30 odd year old toyota can out perform a D4?

Yes it can!

I own all the dvds and anyone that says counter to that:
- has either not watched the series
- chooses to be ignorant
- or should get their eyes checked.

The principles for off road (off road is the topic) are simple and the defender meets that very simple criteria.

Defender is the essence of "off road", its quintessentially the icon for "offroad". The D4 is: im a dad with a wife and 2 kids but i like to pretend i can go bush and keep up with my mates and their lifted and big tyre trucks because my wife would kill me if a bought something as cool as a defender...

Wasn't me:rolleyes:

I wonder if "milos " advantage is as simple as tyre size plus half the weight of the d ?..

And as much as I'm in the defender camp, the low range series really does have roothy's name and fan base well and truly on their sleeve... so it's highly likely that it's got some considerable selective editing, and toyota fan-boy themes that they need to push.

All toyota drivers love a broken land rover (irrespective of model), amiright?

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

And as much as I'm in the defender camp, the low range series really does have roothy's name and fan base well and truly on their sleeve... so it's highly likely that it's got some considerable selective editing, and toyota fan-boy themes that they need to push.

All toyota drivers love a broken land rover (irrespective of model), amiright?

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You are right, Toyota drivers usually hate LR's. But if you watch the series there is a lot of times the d4 makes a meal of something where Roothy idles over. Lets not even mention Kenos hilux, fair enough he's towing the camper but its not even in the same ball park

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Originally Posted by 1nando

According to the discovery owners Roothys Milo must be a D4 in disguise.... Wait a minute its a 30 year odd old truck that out performs everything in the lowrange series, including.....wait for it.......Glenos D4. What a leaf sprung 30 odd year old toyota can out perform a D4? Yes it can! :

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Irrelevant, light hearted banter to the discussion at hand. To which one counter position could be: so milo can out perform a Defender then.;-)



QUOTE=". The D4 is: im a dad with a wife and 2 kids but i like to pretend i can go bush and keep up with my mates and their lifted and big tyre trucks because my wife would kill me if a bought something as cool as a defender... Wasn't me:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Nope. I'm a dad, with a wife and 2 kids, that CAN and does go bush and keep up with my mates in their lifted, locked, big tyre trucks. I can also cruise home safely at 110kms, with whatever music takes my fancy playing through umpteen speakers, at whatever temperature inside I feel like.

Again, both awesome vehicles, that do things better than others; just have different strengths depending on what you want.

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Originally Posted by 1nando

The D4 is: im a dad with a wife and 2 kids but i like to pretend i can go bush and keep up with my mates and their lifted and big tyre trucks because my wife would kill me if a bought something as cool as a defender...

Wasn't me:rolleyes:

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Im a dad with wife and 4 kids - I just couldn't afford a puma defender (if I pushed it I probably could, but Im not a fan of paying over 30K for a car - $27k is the most I've ever shelled out for a car). Plus it does the majority of its running with the kids in there with the wife driving so its a bit more of a suitable "allrounder"

Defender is the essence of "off road", its quintessentially the icon for "offroad". The D4 is: im a dad with a wife and 2 kids but i like to pretend i can go bush and keep up with my mates and their lifted and big tyre trucks because my wife would kill me if a bought something as cool as a defender...

Wasn't me

I only have 1 "kid",he is 21 and has left the nest:p:p:p:p:p:p
When the TD5 Xtremes came out,I wanted one,having only had Series Landies at this stage.I went on to buy a TD5 D2,now theres another animal that will run rings around a Deefer:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
A TD5 Xtreme in very good condition with low ks came up at a silly price I just couldnt refuse,we bought it for Deb.WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT.I refused to drive it in disgust.Squuezed up against the B pillar with my leg impaled by the handbrake.Aircon,that was a feature,almost good enough to cool the kneecaps.Then there were other features,the foot wash with rain,the din at hwy speed,the series quality wiring,a door that fell apart under the Xtreme weight of the factory spare,the ecu that leaked oil,etc etc etc.
Best part was selling it at a profit.

Andrew

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Originally Posted by LandyAndy

When the TD5 Xtremes came out,I wanted one,having only had Series Landies at this stage.I went on to buy a TD5 D2,now theres another animal that will run rings around a Deefer:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
A TD5 Xtreme in very good condition with low ks came up at a silly price I just couldnt refuse,we bought it for Deb.WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT.I refused to drive it in disgust.Squuezed up against the B pillar with my leg impaled by the handbrake.Aircon,that was a feature,almost good enough to cool the kneecaps.Then there were other features,the foot wash with rain,the din at hwy speed,the series quality wiring,a door that fell apart under the Xtreme weight of the factory spare,the ecu that leaked oil,etc etc etc.
Best part was selling it at a profit.

Andrew

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I could suggest a teaspoon, but maybe a bag of cement would been more appropriate ? :angel:




Oh, BTW, Hi Andrew ! :D

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Originally Posted by 1nando

You are right, Toyota drivers usually hate LR's. But if you watch the series there is a lot of times the d4 makes a meal of something where Roothy idles over. Lets not even mention Kenos hilux, fair enough he's towing the camper but its not even in the same ball park

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Never watched the show but am asking ... who's driving the D4? How do you know what's on/off, tyre pressures, etc, etc. Does the guy know how to drive it ... is he hamming it up?


To some folks having to make these adjustments may seem onerous but as has been pointed out, that car (D4) is on wheels best suited to represent the majority of the customer base (right or wrong) and carrying a lot of safety and comfort gear as well as a shed load of torque and power from right off idle (engine and bits hanging off it). Saying adjusting for this is as silly as saying you can't apply the diff locks to a Deefer (which is automatic on a D4).


There are folks out there that do reviews and movies that haven't taken a second to research the platform they are reviewing. Apparently the D4 has really hard to get at recovery points ... which are 'hidden' behind a plastic cover that is designed to be removed by a coin (and should be removed before going off-road .... so you can recover a Deefer ;-)). Apparently the TC on a D4 is really hard to fathom too .... the 4 or 5 selection rotary knob on the older ones or the selector switch on the newer ones is just so complicated (you just move it) .... so is the fact that it tells you what you have selected on the screen .... and will give you instructions if the right selection is made.


As I said, never watched the show but with all this stupid bias, the D4 still smacked arse 9 times in a row ..... which made the reviewers almost puke having to award it. There aren't may LR loving reviewers out there!

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Originally Posted by 1nando

You are right, Toyota drivers usually hate LR's. But if you watch the series there is a lot of times the d4 makes a meal of something where Roothy idles over. Lets not even mention Kenos hilux, fair enough he's towing the camper but its not even in the same ball park

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Hmm - I was involved to some extent with Glenno's D4 build. When I saw the first "Low Range" episode and how the D4 was driven, I offered him a copy of my booklet for free. He candidly admits it took a while for him to digest the info and put it into practice. "Milo" is far from a "stock" 4x4 and I doubt there is an original part on it.

Methinks you're clutching at straws with this one.