Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

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27th January 2016, 03:43 PM
AndyG

Rereading post #1, the operational criteria was:
day trip around Lithgow
BASH the track or bush into submission.

Im happy to cede based on that criteria

I Would like to think Defender drivers are in harmony with their surrounds, have the window down , tanned forearm, and leave only tracks, not mud holes, chardonnay bottles, or nappies. as markers :D
And maybe drive more than 1 day from the nearest barista.
27th January 2016, 03:49 PM
Marty110

ooops double post
27th January 2016, 03:51 PM
Marty110

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Originally Posted by AndyG

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I Would like to think Defender drivers are in harmony with their surrounds, have the window down , tanned forearm, and leave only tracks, not mud holes, chardonnay bottles, or nappies. as markers :D
And maybe drive more than 1 day from the nearest barista.

obviously didn't read my previous post - not too many barristas where the RRS has been. I also have said forearm and no longer have kids in nappies - that was way back when I drove FJ40's. Oh, and I drink scotch not chardon-whats'it :angel:
27th January 2016, 04:25 PM
Meken

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Originally Posted by rick130

May as well have your man do the driving for you, or stay back in your lounge room sitting in your Chesterfield and watch your telly in real time from there.

:angel:

I disagree totally. I did drive a few short sections without hdc on. Trying to brake (by foot) just ended up with unwanted wheel slip. Hdc worked far far far better at keeping car online than I could have ever driven.
27th January 2016, 04:29 PM
Meken

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Originally Posted by scarry

And drove past a couple of Defenders that had lost traction and had no forward motion:p:D:D;)

Oh,by the way i followed a Camry up that road after a bit of rain a few years back.

NO chance of a Camry driving it up even in the dry at the moment, it's reasonably rough and the Camry wouldn't have anything left underneath.
27th January 2016, 05:34 PM
TerryO

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Originally Posted by manic

Don't you mean it was won on page one post one when you declared your manifesto.

Your view was already encased in concrete and your ears stuffed with wool.

The OP lost it for the disco when parameters were: Mod the disco, don't mod the defender. Only compare with puma generation , yet allowed both d3 and d4

You tried to tee it up but in doing so you managed to shoot yourself in the foot.

The defender won.

Disco owners retreat.

Puma's have been made from, was it 2006???? and have had various engine and other upgrades since then but it is still the same generation vehicle once they went away from TD5's and having external vents under the windscreen and having a bonnet hump etc.

Exactly the same thing is correct with the D3 and the D4, they are the same generation vehicle as well with several upgrades, so not sure why you keep bringing this up?

When it comes to you not liking the criteria set out in the op about allowing both vehicles to compete off road on the same size and spec tyres I thought it much fairer and more logical to put both on the same spec as a Defender rather than putting a Defender on Disco's 30" highway spec tyres.

As I originally said any comparison should be about each vehicles off road capabilities not who has the biggest tyre advantage.

But if you would rather compare the two vehicles off road on 30" highway tyres then trust me I'm fine with that. ... ;)
27th January 2016, 05:38 PM
rick130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meken

I disagree totally. I did drive a few short sections without hdc on. Trying to brake (by foot) just ended up with unwanted wheel slip. Hdc worked far far far better at keeping car online than I could have ever driven.

I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, sounds like we're in agreement. ;)
27th January 2016, 06:10 PM
1nando

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Puma's have been made from, was it 2006???? and have had various engine and other upgrades since then but it is still the same generation vehicle once they went away from TD5's and having external vents under the windscreen and having a bonnet hump.

Exactly the same thing is correct with the D3 and the D4, they are the same generation vehicle as well with several upgrades, so not sure why your bringing this up.

When it comes to you not liking the criteria set out in the op about allowing both vehicles to compete off road on the same size and spec tyres I thought it fairer and more logical to put both on the same spec as a Defender rather than putting a Defender on Disco's 30" highway spec tyres.

As I originally said any comparison should be about each vehicles off road capabilities not who has the biggest tyre advantage.

But if you would rather compare the two vehicles off road on 30" highway tyres then trust me I'm fine with that. ... ;)

You know the puma has the advantage becuase of its bigger tyre size.....thats becuase it was designed for a purpose. You engineered this thread to have the same size tyres to take away the pumas advantage.

You've actually given me a great idea;

How about a thread along the lines off:

"Pumas are currently in high demand and people are paying high prices for them. Considering a d4 is only 10k more on average over a newish puma is it worth paying the extra?
Is the d4 better off road compared to a puma......if you take out the d4s automatic trickery is it actually any good off road?"

You see if i take something away that clearly gives a vehicle a huge advantage then it isnt a fair comparison!

If you still reckon it is then how about this;
You bring your disco on what ever size tyres you want and ill bring my puma on 33s and rear locked and you can use all the "automatic" crap you want and see who gets through what tracks. Dont worry ill bring a snatch strap for you :p
27th January 2016, 06:15 PM
MrLandy

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryO

Puma's have been made from, was it 2006???? and have had various engine and other upgrades since then but it is still the same generation vehicle once they went away from TD5's and having external vents under the windscreen and having a bonnet hump etc.

Exactly the same thing is correct with the D3 and the D4, they are the same generation vehicle as well with several upgrades, so not sure why you keep bringing this up?

When it comes to you not liking the criteria set out in the op about allowing both vehicles to compete off road on the same size and spec tyres I thought it much fairer and more logical to put both on the same spec as a Defender rather than putting a Defender on Disco's 30" highway spec tyres.

As I originally said any comparison should be about each vehicles off road capabilities not who has the biggest tyre advantage.

But if you would rather compare the two vehicles off road on 30" highway tyres then trust me I'm fine with that. ... ;)

I've got 31" highway tyres on my 98 tdi... Sure lets go...
27th January 2016, 06:16 PM
manic

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryO

Puma's have been made from, was it 2006???? and have had various engine and other upgrades since then but it is still the same generation vehicle once they went away from TD5's and having external vents under the windscreen and having a bonnet hump.

Exactly the same thing is correct with the D3 and the D4, they are the same generation vehicle as well with several upgrades....

Puma 2007
D3 2004

By allowing the older disco gen to compare to only the newest defender incarnation you are steering away from the d4 19" rim limitation, allowing the d3 to cover where the d4 fails (wheel size limits) and at the same time not allowing the previous defender gen (td5) to cover where the puma fails (weaker diffs supposedly).

Latest d4 vs Puma off the showroom floor is the logical comparison that would simplify the whole debate. But you couldn't present it like that because you would lose.

If you allow aftermarket modifications on both vehicles, again you loose.

Looks like you can't win.

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