Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

For what it's worth I sold my 110 after many deliriously happy years because I'm not sure why, but I think I wanted a car with a better stereo and Bluetooth hands free telephoning. Also decided I wanted an auto transmission for round town. In short I regressed into an inferior specimen.


The move to the D4 has been great and I've been delighted with the car. It's made life so much easier and I'm eating up the kays in comfort. Even so I am under no illusion that I have stepped up to a D4. The only step from a Defender is downwards. It's the car they drive in heaven.


Now, where is my latte. I need a boost to get me to Pimms O'Clock

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Originally Posted by 1nando

I love a day out. Workout a date with plenty of notice and ill try me best. At the moment im battling a loosing battle against time. My mrs and i are 17weeks pregnant with our first baby (very exciting amd scary all at the same time) and im trying to renovate the house before the baby comes in july.

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congratulations mate, an awesome change in your life coming your way with your first child let me tell you. Never did stop us from 4 wheeling though......

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Originally Posted by Marty110

congratulations mate, an awesome change in your life coming your way with your first child let me tell you. Never did stop us from 4 wheeling though......

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Thanks mate, its a world of emotions at the moment and i can't wait to be a dad. In case anyone actually cares we are having a girl, very happy.

It wont stop me 4wding, trust me on that one
Only probelm i have is that we recently purchased our house and it is barley liveable (we could not afford anything better in our area)... I work from 5.30am in the morning until 5pm and then have been going to the house for a couple of hours with my old man knocking out walls, have the ceilings to do and a new kitchen and bathroom to start......i dont want my mrs and new born around the dust so the little down time i have im putting towrads the house....sorry guys but this at the moment is my priority. I never shy away from a contest and am keen as, dont know if the mrs would be so keen on me doing it with a house looking like a war zone at the moment.
Soon as its finished i think a day trip to lithgow would be great :)

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

...so, no mods for Watagans sojourn/comparo? No lifts, no lockers, no muddies, no winches?

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Hard to find a Deefer without all that stuff hanging off it.:o

But i suppose they need it to keep up with the stock D3's and 4's:p:D;)

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Originally Posted by rick130

After Brian's photo, it goes both ways.

This bloke drives a Deefer, and not one of those black 90 Tdci's beloved of the hipsters but an honest to goodness working 130. :o

He's partial to a piccolo latte and will only drink craft beer, prefers the art gallery to football and carried a bright orange Hermes purse as a wallet. (until lost about two weeks ago)

It's a broad church, this Land Rover ownership thingy. :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2016/01/96.jpg

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I thought that was what Freelanders were for

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Originally Posted by vnx205

Here is an interesting question. :angel:

It is obvious that quite a number of Defender drivers are intelligent enough, curious enough or have sufficiently eclectic tastes to find this thread in the D3/D4/RRS section of the forum.

If this question had originally been posted in the Defender section of the forum, how many D3.D4/RRS drivers would have been prepared to mingle with the LR owners who typically are seen as having beards and having grease under their fingernails?

Would this thread have been much shorter if it had been posted in a section that D3/D4 RRS drivers probably consider infradig?

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There was a post put in the defender section by a D4 owner regarding the T shirt that has come available i think it said something like even defender drivers need a hero and it had a disco on the front.

Perhaps there wasn't enough bites [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by 1nando

I love a day out. Workout a date with plenty of notice and ill try me best. At the moment im battling a loosing battle against time. My mrs and i are 17weeks pregnant with our first baby (very exciting amd scary all at the same time) and im trying to renovate the house before the baby comes in july.

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Give in now - go have fun ... The Reno won't be finished anyway so you may as well have some fun leading up to the pain ;)

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Originally Posted by dullbird

There was a post put in the defender section by a D4 owner regarding the T shirt that has come available i think it said something like even defender drivers need a hero and it had a disco on the front.

Perhaps there wasn't enough bites [emoji6]

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You mean this T shirt Lou ........................ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2016/01/93.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2016/01/94.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2016/01/95.jpg

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Originally Posted by strangy

How did you get the "ginger" out of it?😀

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Haha ................. I think the 5 years we lived in Alice Springs before moving to Kalgoorlie bleached all the colour out of it. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2016/01/92.jpg

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Originally Posted by manic

The threads done I rekon.

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Oh I don't know...
There's one Defender and RRS concurrent owner who has refrained from weighing in until now as it took me this long to read through all the bulls&*t that's been posted so far :twisted:

I was going to say that perhaps only those who have actually driven both vehicles in various on-road and off-road situations for a minimum of 10 hours in each vehicle should be allowed to comment but that would probably mean most people would be out of the discussion.

Without that kind of daily comparison, it a bit like trying to review another mans wife's sexual prowess based only on what I've read about her in the online reviews and from her ad on craigslist.

The problem with most of the responses i've actually bothered reading is that they are really only a defence of their own preferences.

One of my biggest beef with Landy owners in general is that they have their tongues so far up LR's backside that they can't actually see that defending Land Rover's horrible reputation for build quality and reliability, and in particular LRA's deplorable record on warranty support is actually doing yourselves a huge disservice.

You won't get better cars by doing that. It's a numbers game for LRA. IF they believe they can get out of it more cheaply by screwing a few people over because the majority won't scream loudly and publicly enough to make them stop and think about it, they will without hesitation or any consideration of what is a reasonable and fair response, screw them over. They are not the only manufacturer to do so, but as Landy owners, they are the Marque that concerns us here.

For what it's worth, here's my take on the debate.

Defender
Rubbish on the sand
Untenably noisy, even on smooth roads
Worst dust sealing of any modern vehicle
Bone rattlingly uncomfortable in almost any off-road situation
Worst passenger viewing position of any car made since 1923
Only good for midgets under 5'8" who weigh less than 85kg's
Less creature comforts and features than a 1964 falcon
Stereo (what stereo)
Rubbish air con system
Turning circle of a small semi trailer
Side mirrors that should never have passed a road safety test - can't see out of them at speeds of more than 10kms per hour due to vibrations
Myriad water leaks that dealers will tell you is just par for the course with a Defender (I've seen the army's technical bulletin on how to remedy water leaks in the defender and it's 42 typed pages long #nobulls&%t.)

Worst of all though, LR have continued to promote the off-road heritage of the product whilst continually weakening the components and by definition, it's go anywhere capabilities.


RRS 2007
We've belted the living day lights out of this car for 6 years and only managed to break:
1 x steering rack (design fault)
2 x CV's
1 x rear half shaft

It drives better than most modern cars on-road and is almost as comfortable off-road.

What is even more surprising is the price difference in the second hand market. You get 10 times the car for about the same price for the same age vehicle when you by the RRS/D3/D4.

If you want the best cross-ver vehicle for on-road, off-road, touring and serious stuff, you won't find a better vehicle than the RRS/D3/D4 (Sorry Stefan - the D2 is just too antiquated to rate a mention in this field)