Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

...hahahha....hahahha...Defender rubbish on sand.....hahaha

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Seriously deluded. What have you been doing when driving the thing?

I have driven a 110 County 3500 v8 with cheese cutter tyres towing 2 tonns through deep sand. It was a doddle. I have seen Defenders making light work of the most powdery of sand when towing.

Sorry cant help myself but get involved at this point. there are just some posts i cant leave alone.

As for the d2 being to antiquated lets see any RRS against a D2 off road any day....seriously...

Cheers

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Originally Posted by BMKal

You mean this T shirt Lou ........................

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Nice...I went Green....

Yes thats the one..... :)


I have too say the defender lacks in a lot of departments but one thing it's not and that is in my opinion crap in sand if you're getting bogged in sand in a defender its your driving and or your car preparation for the surface ie tyre pressure.

I believe 100% there are people on this forum that i know that could take a defender to any sandy situation other than quick sand and drive a defender through it.

I couldn't because i don't have that skill but i believe its the driver that lets the defender down in sandy situations not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Salsa

For what it's worth, here's my take on the debate.

Defender
Rubbish on the sand
Untenably noisy, even on smooth roads
Worst dust sealing of any modern vehicle
Bone rattlingly uncomfortable in almost any off-road situation
Worst passenger viewing position of any car made since 1923
Only good for midgets under 5'8" who weigh less than 85kg's
Less creature comforts and features than a 1964 falcon
Stereo (what stereo)
Rubbish air con system
Turning circle of a small semi trailer
Side mirrors that should never have passed a road safety test - can't see out of them at speeds of more than 10kms per hour due to vibrations
Myriad water leaks that dealers will tell you is just par for the course with a Defender (I've seen the army's technical bulletin on how to remedy water leaks in the defender and it's 42 typed pages long #nobulls&%t.)

Worst of all though, LR have continued to promote the off-road heritage of the product whilst continually weakening the components and by definition, it's go anywhere capabilities.

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So why'd you buy another one? :p

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Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

So why'd you buy another one? [emoji14]

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Cause they are ****. Why not.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

...hahahha....hahahha...Defender rubbish on sand.....hahaha

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Seriously deluded

I have driven a 110 County 3500 v8 with cheese cutter tyres towing 2 tonns through deep sand. It was a doddle. I have seen Defenders making light work of the most powdery of sand when towing.

Sorry cant help myself but get involved at this point. there are just some posts i cant leave alone.

As for the d2 being to antiquated lets see any RRS against a D2 off road any day....seriously...

Cheers

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The Puma in my sig is fantastic in sand.
It just seems to trundle through that real soft stuff.
Without the TC working it does do it a bit tougher.

But there are some on here that recon the TC never comes on in sand,but i have found in the real soft stuff it will come in occasionally.

Yep scarry my D2 TC will come on occasionally in really soft powdery stuff especially when towing (with centre diff locked) and it works really well.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Yep scarry my D2 TC will come on occasionally in really soft powdery stuff especially when towing (with centre diff locked) and it works really well.

Cheers

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As did my D2a,no problems at all.

With the D4 one thing i miss is the TC noise..

Haha...yes they are a quiet machine.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by AndyG

I thought that was what Freelanders were for

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Personally from an observational POV I would have said an Evoque, or maybe even a Disco Sport. :angel: