Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Originally Posted by AndyG

Different brake pack with 17 Inch?

its not hard to put 17's on a 3.0 litre D4. You just fit the 2.7 D3 rotors and callipers. It all just bolts on easy. Several Aulro members have done this already, are they as good the 3.0 brakes, no but considering in the D3 engine range the one that does the most heavy towing is 2.7 with the small brakes, so they can't be that bad.

It's also no huge task to fit OEM 18's to a 3.0 D4 if your prepared to fit the earlier callipers, if my memory serves me well.

As I said previously I believe LR bring this spec of D4's into Australia with larger callipers so the locals can't fit the standard 18' OEM wheels so owners are limited in choice for decent off road tyres. They want to sell them as the best off roaders available then make sure only the most determined with deep pockets ever take them off road.

It seems your defenders were discoveries after all

well that does it, I think the the credibility of the writer for that article is shot:

Lara Croft's Tomb Raider Land Rover Discovery being driven in a parade in 2006 - the car will cease production this Friday

Celebrating the Land Rover Defender - in pictures | Business | The Guardian

Nothing to do with off road ability, but the coolness does attract a certain type

Originally Posted by SBD4

It seems your defenders were discoveries after all

well that does it, I think the the credibility of the writer for that article is shot:

On a serious note, its amazing how many errors journos feed us, if you have a smidgen of knowledge about the subject.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Salsa

RRS 2007
We've belted the living day lights out of this car for 6 years and only managed to break:
1 x steering rack (design fault)
2 x CV's
1 x rear half shaft

Ouch. Suppose that's what happens when you go offroad in a rrs. A good 'crossover' vehicle is it, good for you. Thought this thread was def vs d3/d4 Offroad.

Defenders get properly beaten about offroad all over the world, some 25 years old, a life carrying tonnage and guaranteed not one of them had a single steering rack issue!

Sounds like your Rrs is getting close to that age.... You should probably sell it soon. There is a reason defenders keep a high price - they live a bloody long life.

Originally Posted by AndyG

Land Rover Defender loved by drivers from the Queen to James Bond ceases production | Daily Mail Online

Perhaps the Disco fraternity can educate us with some pictures similar to the attached, anything involving flood rescue, Marines, Afghanistan, Lions, etc, i think they all qualify as serious off road use Maccas drive thru does not count.

That's 'cause, as has been proven over and over and over again in this forum that D4s can do nothing .... they are absolutely useless .... yeah right. And has been stated ..... there are one or two (+++) non-bolt on differences between the Civi and Military Deefer in Australia. Use your noggin mate ...


LR didn't even waste their time Tendering for the contract that now sees our military driving G-Wagons, replacing the Deefers ...... Why? 'Cause they didn't have a product. Nobody in their right mind would buy a vehicle that old (design wise) and the Military weren't interested in anything that wasn't already MOTS (Military Off The Shelf). The risk is too high and the cost associated usually is too....not that a Military Spec G-Wagon is exactly cheap.




What are the Brits replacing their aging fleet of Deefers with?

Originally Posted by TerryO

As I said previously I believe LR bring this spec of D4's into Australia with larger callipers so the locals can't fit the standard 18' OEM wheels so owners are limited in choice for decent off road tyres. They want to sell them as the best off roaders available then make sure only the most determined with deep pockets ever take them off road.

I can hear the suits at Jaguar/Land Rover now....

"It's a luxury car damnit Smithers, not a bloody 4WD, what do those colonials think this is ? Bush week ?"

Originally Posted by manic

Ouch. Suppose that's what happens when you go offroad in a rrs. A good 'crossover' vehicle is it, good for you. Thought this thread was def vs d3/d4 Offroad.

Defenders get properly beaten about offroad all over the world, some 25 years old, a life carrying tonnage and guaranteed not one of them had a single steering rack issue!

Sounds like your Rrs is getting close to that age.... You should probably sell it soon. There is a reason defenders keep a high price - they live a bloody long life.

Manic the 2007 RRS uses the same platform as these vehicles.