19" Maxxis AT Tyres

**scarry** · 30th October 2016, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Goes to my point that the "Best 4WD in the World" is more interested in glossy interiors and bling than a braking system that can accommodate off road tyres. Sex sells, as they say.

I still say if it was good enough for the D3 there was no need to change it as towing capacity did not change nor did all customers move to outback NT for unrestricted speed limits.

But power and torque did(3.0l),and so did the terrain response system,which is different from the D3.In fact the later D4 system is different again,as Gordon(GOE) has said,almost negates the need for the E-diff.

**Grentarc** · 30th October 2016, 01:02 PM

The 2.7 D4 has the same TR as the 3.0 D4, yet it can fit 17" wheels...

Originally Posted by scarry

,almost negates the need for the E-diff.

Kind of like the D2's traction control negated the need for a CDL?

**PerthDisco** · 30th October 2016, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

But power and torque did(3.0l).

Yes, maybe you can accelerate 0 to 100kmh faster but still braking from 100kmh like a D3 with same weight and not many would need to pull up from terminal velocity. That is where LC has got it right IMO as the extra power makes towing effortless for almost no downside in stopping ability for the average punter.

And let's be honest that when you most use TC you are doing walking speed so hardly need massive discs.

**LandyAndy** · 30th October 2016, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Yes, maybe you can accelerate 0 to 100kmh faster but still braking from 100kmh like a D3 with same weight and not many would need to pull up from terminal velocity. That is where LC has got it right IMO as the extra power makes towing effortless for almost no downside in stopping ability for the average punter.

And let's be honest that when you most use TC you are doing walking speed so hardly need massive discs.

I would rate the brakes on my D4 3.0 as some of the best I have experienced in a vehicle.
Andrew

**ozscott** · 30th October 2016, 03:20 PM

Another sidewall casualty. This time a Chinese tyre (HL rated... But Chinese HL rated...) at Sundown on 19 in. Would be better with LT. Fact remains that the sidewall is a lot lower to the ground on an aired down 19 running 255/55 than on a 245/75 on 16's. We were running 25 pound. On a 16 suitably aired down the bulge is less severe and has a more gentle curve up and out from the tread... So less prone to damage. Anyway my mate knew if would be a close run thing in Sundown with those tyres and it was. He will now move to the 980 in LT. Cheers

**scarry** · 30th October 2016, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Grentarc

The 2.7 D4 has the same TR as the 3.0 D4, yet it can fit 17" wheels...

Maybe early D4,later D4 were different....

Kind of like the D2's traction control negated the need for a CDL?

No completely different,and Gordon from GOE knows his stuff.

I agree,strange a LC200 can run 17's,with no issues.

Audi TDV8 can run 18's,as i have said before.

Anyway,it is all academic,we could talk about it for ever,LR have done it,all history.

And the new model D5,they only thought about it after it was released,shows how much they care about the issue.

**PerthDisco** · 30th October 2016, 05:13 PM

Fixed something not broken is my conclusion.

Tombie · 30th October 2016, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Fixed something not broken is my conclusion.

Building the best in class TC that can handle the torque requires bigger brakes to both hold the vehicles torque and dissipate the heat generated..

The LC200 is horrendous.. poor braking without a trailer let alone with one.. and a mediocre TC system at best.

**Geedublya** · 31st October 2016, 11:37 AM

My V8 with 510 NM and the smaller brakes can overpower the TC fairly easily. You just have to be aware of it and be careful applying the power. This isn't always easy in some situations.

I'm unsure how well the larger brakes coped as I never used them off road.

**ozscott** · 31st October 2016, 05:08 PM

OK my mate (I was in his D3) lost the tyre going into Sundown and it seems bloody close to another on the way out. With Sundown National Park it's not the size of the rocks but that they are bedded in hard and are sharp and we all probably travel quickly on them. Cheers IMG-20161031-WA0008.jpg

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