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    Major vibration towing with D4 (in 2 brand new disco 4's)

    Hi Guys,

    Looking for any input or experiences on what is a really sad situation.

    We bought our first ever land rover, 2016 discovery 4 in Feb.
    Love the car... however, when towing our 1.75 tonne boat at any speeds over 100 as soon as we hit an incline, we get a major vibration through the car.

    We also get the vibration towing our 1.2-1.3 (loaded) tonne box trailer.
    Not as bad but still a heavy vibration.

    The vibration is through the whole car.
    Changing gears or going into neutral does not affect the issue.
    So it seems to be a driveline fault of some kind.

    It is a SDV6 Dec build, Jan compliance.

    Land rover have tried a new diff, new rear drive shafts and a wheel balance and it has made no difference.

    Next step they want to try a "road force" balance, which apparently is a balance where they apply load to the tyres.

    Today they brought another 2016 disco (late 2015 build) and we took the boat for a test drive, same issue.

    Naturally they are pointing fingers at the trailer.

    I'e had the trailer for 3 years and towed it behind no less than 3 other late model 4wd's and it tows like a dream.

    Our last vehicle was a 2010 pajero and we did many thousand km's with the boat and box trailer with zero issues.

    It has about 6-7% of the weight on the ball, dual axle mackay PU series trailer, only 7 yrs old and in very good condition, mechanical brakes, new bearings every 2-3 yrs, boat always secured with winch strap, tensioned chain at the front and ratchet straps at the rear. Boat is a haines hunter 1997 hull.
    We always tow at highway speeds with the canopy all down an well secured.

    We also load the boat up with probably 200-300kg of dive gear for trips (with a small increase in ball weight) and the problem is no different.

    Our box trailer is a custom 6x4 single axle box trailer with steel frame aluminium panels. We load it very carefully to get a good 50-60kg ball weight (scuba tanks go at the front) and it has always towed perfectly.

    I am in a very difficult position now, as with two new vehicles doing the same thing it seems to be a fundamental fault in the vehicle.

    Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.
    Is anyone in adelaide towing a similar weight boat that could possibly let me try towing their boat or vice versa?
    Ideally an older build?

    Maybe there is an issue with the late 2015 builds?

    We are close to just getting rid of the vehicle and cutting our losses, which would be a shame, but my options are running out.

    Cheers
    James

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    Very early D4s with the same problem was caused by an incorrectly welded bracket for the rear tail-shaft centre bearing so the cause may be applicable to a batch of vehicles. I can't understand why LR hasn't replaced the tail-shaft, being the first item that I would have replaced after checking the trailer for a deformed tyre.

    Edit: Can you borrow different wheels for at least the box trailer for a test? Have the trailer wheels been balanced?
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    Cheers Graeme, I will pass on that feedback.

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    My boat trailer isn't exactly fit for the road, at this point, but if you wanted to bring yours, or your box trailer and hook it to my car, we can go for a run & see.

    I have a MY13, and have towed some good loads with it, all the way to Whyalla and back, with no issues. I did notice that on some roads, especially at highway speeds, the trailer assist function is working. It isn't violent at all, but you know it is there.

    Guessing you are going to Solitaire, and if so, and they lent you a red D4 to test it out on, I wouldn't trust it. I know the bloke that has been driving it since new, and he is normally a Defender driver..... He probably trashed it.

    We are up by TTP, so give me a yell if you like.

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    Cheers Basil, looks like a mate has an MY13 close by I might hook up.
    Also taking a slightly heavier boat for a test run sat.
    Yeah dealing with solitaire, the service manager brought his brand new black d4 TD down, only 1200km's on the clock, that was the vehicle we tested it on.

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    Not a worry.

    If you get stuck, let me know. This weekend is out, as I am already working Sunday on Mothers Day, but Sunday next week is good at this stage, or through the week is usually easy too.

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    Hey Graeme - yeah wheels were balanced on both trailers fairly recently (brand new rims on the box trailer a few months back).

    I will jack up and double check boat trailer tyres are not deformed, but again doesn't explain it on the other trailer.

    I swear I can pick it with no load under certain high torque throttle conditons too...

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    James, IIRC someone on here had a faulty tailshaft uni joint replaced at very low km's (or possibly whole tailshaft replaced) only last year.
    From memory I think it was "Nicky". Not sure of exact symptoms but certainly some vibration.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks Scott, I am going to push them to try tailshaft and uni joint replacement for sure. Problem is seems there is a problem with not just mine so depends what batch the parts come from.

    I'm towing a different (similar weight) boat tomorrow and have a mate with MY13 who is going to tow mine, at least collect some more info to take to LR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesAdelaide View Post
    I'm towing a different (similar weight) boat tomorrow and have a mate with MY13 who is going to tow mine, at least collect some more info to take to LR.
    Good plan, differential diagnosis should be very helpful.

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