Need to restore faith !!

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Originally Posted by bln

I bought a brand new Prado in 2007 and it was the worst car I have ever had - I put up with it for 4 years - The injectors were faulty and Toyota would not replace them until 3 years later after continued dialogue. Due to the faulty injectors the car had very poor performance and the motor rattled and pinged badly when cold. After a trip to the Kimberlys the inner guards under the bonnet cracked and the thing rattled like a bucket of bolts. you could hear me coming from a mile away. The Toyota bullbar fell to pieces and I lost my expensive driving lights on the Mitchell Falls track. Took the car to Darwin toyota and they would not fix the bullbar under warranty and in any case they did not have any in stock. Transfer case oil leaks, front shocker lower bushes required replacing 3 times over the 4 years of ownership and the rear handbrake assembly broke on the Oodnadatta track. Could not get the disk rotor off to repair due to the handbrake mechanism jammed. Servicing was expensive.
Got rid of the thing and bought a used Range Rover Sport and stuck with land rovers ever since due to comfort and reliability. I haven't heard of any 'horrible reputations" in the UK - the disco 1's and early freelanders had some issues but I haven't heard of the later models having any issues - no more than any other vehicle.

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Go do all those things again with the Range Rover Sport, and let us know how it goes.

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Originally Posted by specwarop

Go do all those things again with the Range Rover Sport, and let us know how it goes.

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I did - Rudall River National Park, Gary Junction, Lorella Springs and much more - the only problem that I ever had was a brake sensor came loose and I kept getting a brake pad warning.
My current vehicle is a Discovery D4 - My wife and I have been travelling for 18months and travelled 111,000ks since jan 2016 - Cape York, Arnhem Land, the gulf country, Diamantina lakes, great central highway, Binns track, Birdsville, Karijini, Ningaloo and much more - the car has been faultless - not even a single warranty claim. The only fault I had was just last month when we were back at home - a split radiator hose which was replaced at no cost. Not a fault of land rover - just one of this things.
cheers

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Originally Posted by bln

I did - Rudall River National Park, Gary Junction, Lorella Springs and much more - the only problem that I ever had was a brake sensor came loose and I kept getting a brake pad warning.
My current vehicle is a Discovery D4 - My wife and I have been travelling for 18months and travelled 111,000ks since jan 2016 - Cape York, Arnhem Land, the gulf country, Diamantina lakes, great central highway, Binns track, Birdsville, Karijini, Ningaloo and much more - the car has been faultless - not even a single warranty claim. The only fault I had was just last month when we were back at home - a split radiator hose which was replaced at no cost. Not a fault of land rover - just one of this things.
cheers

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Mike drop - *boom* [emoji441]

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Originally Posted by bln

I did - Rudall River National Park, Gary Junction, Lorella Springs and much more - the only problem that I ever had was a brake sensor came loose and I kept getting a brake pad warning.
My current vehicle is a Discovery D4 - My wife and I have been travelling for 18months and travelled 111,000ks since jan 2016 - Cape York, Arnhem Land, the gulf country, Diamantina lakes, great central highway, Binns track, Birdsville, Karijini, Ningaloo and much more - the car has been faultless - not even a single warranty claim. The only fault I had was just last month when we were back at home - a split radiator hose which was replaced at no cost. Not a fault of land rover - just one of this things.
cheers

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Have the same vehicle, my 10th landrover & the best ever. 90ks four times around /across Aussie from GibbRiver to Cape York & Savannah Way etc. Never a problem, put on a snorkel, remap, extra tank & 18" Compomotives from GOE.
Fantastic vehicle.

Thanks pjgrandad.

I have a RRTDV8 (3.6L) which 15 months ago I had a similar issue. On a trip Brisbane to Sydney towing a 2 tonne van after about 6 hours of travel the vehicle went into limp mode registering an 'engine system fault'. After pulling over and switching of the engine for 4-5 mins, I restarted the engine and was able to continue on for 15-20 mins before the same thing happened again. This occurred another 3-4 times before I was able to get an independent LR guy at Armidale to check out the fault. It appeared the fault had something to do with the one of the MAP sensors. He cleaned both sensors and said see how you go! Travelled another 20 mins and same thing again. By this time I was really nicked off (as was my wife!!). Sat for about 15 mins considering our options. Finally decided to push on to Tamworth and got the dealer to run their diagnostic test computer to see what the problem was. Result ... couldn't fault anything. Continued on to Sydney then returned a few days later with no recurrence of the issue. 2 weeks ago whilst towing the van for about 5 hours the problem resurfaced again (3 times). Eventually arrived at our destination, stayed 4 days returned to Brisbane and not had the issue since. This only ever occurs when I am towing the van ... never when driving the vehicle by itself. I'm taking it t M R at Redcliffe to see if they can work out what's going on. Not sure whether this engine has the same arrangement as your D4 with that 12v actuator but I'll be asking the guys at M R if it could have anything to do with it.

Thanks for sharing

Cheers
Steve

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Originally Posted by austeve01

Thanks pjgrandad.

I have a RRTDV8 (3.6L) which 15 months ago I had a similar issue. On a trip Brisbane to Sydney towing a 2 tonne van after about 6 hours of travel the vehicle went into limp mode registering an 'engine system fault'. After pulling over and switching of the engine for 4-5 mins, I restarted the engine and was able to continue on for 15-20 mins before the same thing happened again. This occurred another 3-4 times before I was able to get an independent LR guy at Armidale to check out the fault. It appeared the fault had something to do with the one of the MAP sensors. He cleaned both sensors and said see how you go! Travelled another 20 mins and same thing again. By this time I was really nicked off (as was my wife!!). Sat for about 15 mins considering our options. Finally decided to push on to Tamworth and got the dealer to run their diagnostic test computer to see what the problem was. Result ... couldn't fault anything. Continued on to Sydney then returned a few days later with no recurrence of the issue. 2 weeks ago whilst towing the van for about 5 hours the problem resurfaced again (3 times). Eventually arrived at our destination, stayed 4 days returned to Brisbane and not had the issue since. This only ever occurs when I am towing the van ... never when driving the vehicle by itself. I'm taking it t M R at Redcliffe to see if they can work out what's going on. Not sure whether this engine has the same arrangement as your D4 with that 12v actuator but I'll be asking the guys at M R if it could have anything to do with it.

Thanks for sharing

Cheers
Steve

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There will be codes that are an indication. I had similar issues when towing and it was related to the increased load compared to normal. My issues were air leaks - cracked plastic piece that was only slightly cracked and under normal loads didn’t leak enough to flag an alert. Once the trailer was attached, the load increased to the point of fault. A smoke test found the leak and no issues since.

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Mike drop - *boom* [emoji441]

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hahaha - Gold.

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Okay this thread has become the fight ground of brands....

Just want to point out Anecdotal evidence is often not meaningful. Not to mention your anecdote is so emotional. You will need statistical evidence to prove the anecdote is typical. It doesn't matter if your land rover can get the Mars, because the rest probably can't.

So from this point of view, if you have a reliable land rover, don't think all land rover are reliable just because of your own experience. And don't think some others who have a unreliable land rover are lying....


At the end of the day, you love Land Rover/ Toyota, but these company will never love you back. You paid money and they sell you a car. not your girlfriend don't be so sensitive

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Originally Posted by BobD

There is a Bulletin on Topix about this, telling dealers not to replace the sump gasket because that is not where the leak is. It is usually coming from somewhere else and reading between the lines, they are sick of paying out warranty work for misdiagnosed sump gasket leaks. My 2010 D4 has had a couple of leaks that at first glance looked like sump gasket or rear main and none of them were related to either of them. The most serious leak turned out to be a stripped sump plug and you would swear it was not coming from the sump plug until you do a proper leak test after cleaning everything up properly. The indie thought it was a leaking oil evacuation tube for some time until one of the guys finally found the real problem. At 275000 km, still no engine leaks once the minor peripheral things were fixed.

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True. I had my Disco 4 in to a Dealer last week for a service and navigation disk update. What a fiasco! I won't go into detail but long story short, even with 6 weeks notice (and two reminders in the meantime) they didn't organise to have the new navigation disk on hand, they diagnosed that the vehicle was pulling to the left and needed a wheel alignment (when what it really was, was that they had rotated the tyres and when they rejigged the tyre pressures, the valve in the front left tyre stuck and had let the air back out of the tyre - it was 10 psi, no wonder it pulled left!), they diagnosed a valve cover gasket leak, which turned out to be oil they spilled when filling the engine with new oil and they diagnosed a gasket leak in the transmission sump (I've had the transmission mod done) which turned out to actually be a correct diagnosis! I'll be getting that fixed by an indi, I'm completely over dealers.

Previously I had a suspension compressor replaced, which turned out to just be the dryer crystals and I've had the two front airbag/strut assemblies replaced, which actually turned out to be a stuck valve-block and nothing was wrong with the struts. Both were diagnosed by a dealer and both were wrong. In both cases I've mentioned, the dealers are "multi-dealers" and sell just about every known brand of European vehicle. I think that they spread themselves too thinly and I suspect that their training is either inadequate, or they don't have a "Land Rover expert", or both.

Rusty

“I think that they spread themselves too thinly and I suspect that their training is either inadequate, or they don't have a "Land Rover expert", or both.”

You are probably onto it. But then you also have the extreme version of this, and in this case I have never seen anything like it. There is a new Indi (who shall remain nameless) in my home town, who advertises that they specialise in certain vehicles (including Land Rovers) but don’t have any mechanics who have worked on them, just one specific brand of car - and it’s not Land Rover.

I have personally seen a couple of vehicles who were ‘looked after’ by these guys and it wasn’t a pretty picture. The D3 I looked at very closely had virtually been destroyed by what could only be described as gross stupidity and then a bit of malice. Personal opinion of course. (have edited out the malicious damage and things they screwed up to stay within rules)

The repair bill to replace missing and damaged components and then actually fix this D3 will end up clocking around $20k. If that had happened to me (not to a young lad) I would have sued them back to the stone age. With those sort of antics it probably won’t be long before someone else does though.

Personally, I go to an Indi who loves the brand and knows what they are doing. If you can't do the work yourself, these sort of workshops make owning a more specialised car a pleasure and are worth their weight in gold.
Caveat Emptor......

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