Thread: Tyres (again)...confusion

Originally Posted by Tombie

Yes D697 Dueller - around $325 f&b

I think you are right Tombie. This is what I'd originally thought after hearing good reports inc. a mate who's on his second set (D3). I guess I just liked the look & reviews the KO2's were getting. I guess the on road manners would be a little better with the 697's but not as good off road. Thanks again.

I did heaps of tyre research recently, I ended up going with a mud tyre (MTR/Kevlar) which are great but I don't drive my Disco every day. For an AT, the KO2 definitely stood out I thought after all my research. Strong 3 ply side wall, full depth sipes and lots of them, new design and great rubber that apparently lasts a while, and lots of good experiences on them if you read about them. Just an AT that stood out from the rest I thought. They even have that snowflake symbol, so they're meant to be better in the winter snow/ice/wet than others if that matters to you. I've had personal experience driving on the KO2 and they drive really well, get a bit of road noise but hardly anything and even into older age they are good. They are what I would buy for an AT.

Bridgestones would be good too, just didn't think they'd be as good as BFGs. Also the Good Year Duratrac is a great tyre but they have a slightly thinner side wall I think, but I like the tread better than the KO2, if they had a stronger side wall I think the Duratrac would be much more popular. Good Year make great off road tyres!

(by the way, the BFG KM3 their new generation mud tyre should be coming out really soon)

Should be able to get a decent price on them too if you shop around, Bob Jane were pretty good with me.

Originally Posted by gofish

I think you are right Tombie. This is what I'd originally thought after hearing good reports inc. a mate who's on his second set (D3). I guess I just liked the look & reviews the KO2's were getting. I guess the on road manners would be a little better with the 697's but not as good off road. Thanks again.

I flogged the arse out of my D697s offroad. Never had a problem with them wanting.

BFGs are radically overrated and underwhelming. They’re just one of the originals and as such have an almost “Toyota” following.

Originally Posted by Young Angus

I did heaps of tyre research recently, I ended up going with a mud tyre (MTR/Kevlar) which are great but I don't drive my Disco every day. For an AT, the KO2 definitely stood out I thought after all my research. Strong 3 ply side wall, full depth sipes and lots of them, new design and great rubber that apparently lasts a while, and lots of good experiences on them if you read about them. Just an AT that stood out from the rest I thought. They even have that snowflake symbol, so they're meant to be better in the winter snow/ice/wet than others if that matters to you. I've had personal experience driving on the KO2 and they drive really well, get a bit of road noise but hardly anything and even into older age they are good. They are what I would buy for an AT.

Bridgestones would be good too, just didn't think they'd be as good as BFGs. Also the Good Year Duratrac is a great tyre but they have a slightly thinner side wall I think, but I like the tread better than the KO2, if they had a stronger side wall I think the Duratrac would be much more popular. Good Year make great off road tyres!

(by the way, the BFG KM3 their new generation mud tyre should be coming out really soon)

Should be able to get a decent price on them too if you shop around, Bob Jane were pretty good with me.

So by research you mean “reading”?

By “better rubber” you mean harder / less grip.

What’s your take on side-wall ply? Do you know what a ply is, or how there’s more to it than just the cord - and the side wall is more than just that again.

We have a group here that get products and we trial them - an example is the current MTs on my D4.
We have guys running tyres, winches, suspension amongst other gear and reporting on it.

Research without full data is just reading...

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

Originally Posted by garethbrown2670@gmail.com

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

I am using 18" 697's and don't experience the load speed noise you mention, although they only have 10k kms on them.
They surprised me by feeling better in the wet than the 50% worn OEM 20" Scorpions.

Originally Posted by garethbrown2670@gmail.com

I had AT3s and wouldn’t buy them again. 3 flat tyres in 6 months. The marginal load rating is the problem I think.
I had scorpions and they drove well but wore out very quickly.
I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

Originally Posted by garethbrown2670@gmail.com

I’m getting very good mileage from Duellers 697 but they’re very noisy at speeds <70kph...a constant moaning noise. No flats or problems in 3 years and good off-road and in the wet.
Next to try will be K02 or Toyos (recommended by dealer).

By all accounts the KO2 are noisier than the D697. I have heard good things about the Tokyo open country, though.

I rarely notice the D697 at speed over the kids, music, or even wind noise. I sometimes notice them during heavy cornering. Considering how they perform and wear I will most likely get them again.

Originally Posted by Disco4Dave

I am using 18" 697's and don't experience the load speed noise you mention, although they only have 10k kms on them.
They surprised me by feeling better in the wet than the 50% worn OEM 20" Scorpions.

It’s all about the pressures